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Old 12-21-2003, 12:22 AM   #11
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Unfortunately the article is slanted towards a GM deficiency, and not towards the impurities from the petroleum companies such as Petro-Canada or Shell.
I think Deathrat actually had an article that explained some of those issues. It was a TSB from GM about the use of shell gasoline and the fuel sending units in the tank... I wonder if he still has that TSB...
It wasn't a TSB sorry.....It was a letter sent out to car owners stating they should change their gasoline if this problem arose. GM can't LEGALLY tell anyone not to use a certain companies gasoline without suffering MAJOR reprocussions from that company. There is however a TSB for the J & N bodies out there though regarding this.

Inaccurate or Erratic Fuel Gauge Reading, Fuel Pump Related Driveability Concerns (Install New Fuel Tank Sender) #01-06-04-008D - (04/03/2003)
Inaccurate or Erratic Fuel Gauge Reading, Fuel Pump Related Driveability Concerns (Install New Fuel Tank Sender)
2000-03 Chevrolet Cavalier, Malibu

2000-03 Oldsmobile Alero

2000-03 Pontiac Grand Am, Sunfire

2000-01 Toyota Cavalier

with Plastic Fuel Tanks

This bulletin is being revised to add a model year and to change the Correction information as well as the part number. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-04-008C (Section 06 - Engine).

Vehicles built between the following VIN breakpoints:

Model
VIN


Cavalier
Y7116423 - 37248901

YS102309 - 3S150515

Sunfire
Y7116426 - 37248904

YS102393 - 3S150516


Vehicles built prior to VIN breakpoint:

Model
VIN


Alero
3C250166

Grand Am
3M655917

Grand Am
3C250181

Malibu
3M655916


Condition
Some customers may comment about inaccurate or erratic fuel gauge readings. A typical comment might be that it appears from the gauge reading that there is fuel available, yet the tank is nearly empty.

Cause
This condition may be the result of the corrosive effect of certain fuel blends on the contact surfaces of the fuel tank sender.

Correction

Important
When servicing the fuel tank module or the fuel sender, DO NOT replace both parts. Only replace the appropriate part to repair the customer'* concern.
The complete fuel level sender assembly P/N 22683260 is no longer available through GMSPO. This assembly is now serviced by a fuel tank module P/N 88957239 (minus sender) and the fuel tank sender, P/N 22709333. These two parts are no longer sold as one unit and can only be purchased separately.
Dealers within the provinces of British Columbia, Quebec, New Brunswick and the State of Maine, should refer to Customer Satisfaction Campaign 00101, dated January , 2001.

When fuel gauge diagnosis in the Service Manual indicates the cause to be the fuel tank sender, replace the existing sender with a new sender, P/N 22709333, with improved corrosion resistant wiper contacts.


Important
With the availability of this new fuel level sender kit, DO NOT replace the complete fuel level sender assembly, P/N 22683260.


To insure correct installation, follow the instructions contained in the kit and the service procedure in the applicable Service Manual.

Parts Information
Part Number
Description


22709333
Fuel Tank Sender Kit


Parts are expected to be available from GMSPO on April 10, 2003.

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I had the problem with my '01 and took it to the dealer under warranty. They want you to go through the 'fix in a can' treatment first...and it didnt do a damn thing. They then were more than happy to replace the fuel tank sensor. All is well now.

I knew I had a problem when the tank would get anywhere less than 3/8 of a tank, and I would turn (ramp) or accel. the gage would go to the top. This would effect the distance to empty reading and others.

If you have the problem...and if you have warranty, get in there and get it fixed. The cost to warranty was about $360.00 (if I recall the invoice correctly).
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We should probably take the article...properly credit the article and keep it in archives somewhere, could potentially assist mechanical questions related to this information.
Consider it done!
Look here!
http://www.bonnevilleattitude.com/fo...opic.php?t=110
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Fantastic!

Thanks Alan
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I have that same problem as well, when mytank gets down to 1/4 of a tank, it'll read full on teh gauge, makes it very hard to tel how much gas you actually have.
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mine stays on Full+ for about 1/2 to 2/3 of the tank, and then it gets really sensitive after that. Its an annoyance, cuz i can see how much the gas gauge moves after a short trip.

Silly Canadians and their silly Canadian gas j/k
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OMG... HAHA... that'* so funny...

I say this because I ran out of gas 2 weeks ago, with the gauge at 1/4 tank.
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This is why I reset my trip odometer everytime I fill up. Then I go 15 miles for every gallon of gas I put in, and I should be safe. Knowing that my car averages over 20mpg with my combined city and highway driving, I figure using 15mpg gives me enough of a comfort zone. Like last time I filled up with gas I put in 8.5 gallons, so at 136 miles I need to have put gas in the car already. I noticed today the car was just starting to beep at me to get gas, and the trip read 105 miles, so it seems to work out just fine. (the car starts beeping at me when it calculates that I can go 40 miles on the gas I have)

If you don't do that, maybe it would be helpful. It is kind of a safety so you don't run out of gas even if your gauge shows some gas. My fuel gauge works fine and is very accurate, but I still reset the trip and keep track just to make sure. You can never be too safe.

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second that

I usually go by the odometer more than the gas gauge, and how many "spirited accelerations" I have done on that tank.
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