How much power should of been extracted out of the 3.8 S2?
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Re: How much power should of been extracted out of the 3.8 *
Originally Posted by ComfyCar
Car Companies do it all the time, bump up horse power ratings every year or 2. How much power should of been extracted out of the series 2 3.8?
The final rating is stuck at 200/205
I hear Manifolds were a weak spot, shouldnt that be good for 8 horsepower right there? What do you guys think?
The final rating is stuck at 200/205
I hear Manifolds were a weak spot, shouldnt that be good for 8 horsepower right there? What do you guys think?
They could have opened up the intake and exhaust a bit, raised the rev limiters, and thrown in what we now know as "easy bolt-ons", however, the engine runs super quiet. inside the car and out as should with a semi-luxury car such as a bonneville. Also, noise requirements have to be met by government standards. and any internal improvements may jeopardize the reliablity of the motor, and it wouldnt have nearly the same following and widely know quality and reliability.
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The series II really only added some more upper RPM power over the N/A series I. The manifolds are very different, and this is a large part of it.
However the heads, cam, and intake manifold are all very simple, and built for reliability, not power.
Making a reliable engine isn't hard these days for big auto makers, and why a new manifold wasn't designed for performance is beyond me.
However the heads, cam, and intake manifold are all very simple, and built for reliability, not power.
Making a reliable engine isn't hard these days for big auto makers, and why a new manifold wasn't designed for performance is beyond me.
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Buick 3.8L = One of the top 10 best engines all time!
All I gotta say is coming from a 3100 in the Cutty to a 3800 in the bonne, the bonne feels like a rocketship. But seriously our "low tech" 3800 may not be exciting as those high winding wind up toys from japan in the high revs but the potential for the 3800 is never ending.
All I gotta say is coming from a 3100 in the Cutty to a 3800 in the bonne, the bonne feels like a rocketship. But seriously our "low tech" 3800 may not be exciting as those high winding wind up toys from japan in the high revs but the potential for the 3800 is never ending.
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Potential is the keyword and Im glad its there. The possibilities for a fast Bonneville are there. Super Charge,Turbo Charge or a Stroker Kit.
This is by no means an insult but I almost feel bad for Ford Taurus guys. Theres a site for non-Sho Taurus fans but they are having a hard time finding performance parts for their cars. I think its a shame cause not everyone starts off with SHO'* or Supercharged Bonnevilles.
Im glad us N/A guys have options for "Fastness"
This is by no means an insult but I almost feel bad for Ford Taurus guys. Theres a site for non-Sho Taurus fans but they are having a hard time finding performance parts for their cars. I think its a shame cause not everyone starts off with SHO'* or Supercharged Bonnevilles.
Im glad us N/A guys have options for "Fastness"
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The series II really only added some more upper RPM power over the N/A series I. The manifolds are very different, and this is a large part of it.
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Originally Posted by fantastic88
True but not entirely. The Ser2 NA or */C has 90% of its torque available between 1500-5000 rpm. Every NA Ser 2 car i've driven has been signifigantly quicker than the Ser 1 NA'* i've driven. The 2005 LeSabre with 2.83 gearing would blow the doors off my Old 93' 88 with similer 2.84 gearing.
Another thing to keep in mind the ratings between 92-93 L27'* were the same, even though the engine was modified. The L27 could get off the line better, but it will be caught later on by an L36. The L36 has the advantage in the long run of being supported because of the grand prix community while the series 1 isn't. Comparing a new car to a 13 year old car isn't the best either, take a 94 SE and a 95 SE and run em, that'll show you the differences.
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Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
Originally Posted by fantastic88
True but not entirely. The Ser2 NA or */C has 90% of its torque available between 1500-5000 rpm. Every NA Ser 2 car i've driven has been signifigantly quicker than the Ser 1 NA'* i've driven. The 2005 LeSabre with 2.83 gearing would blow the doors off my Old 93' 88 with similer 2.84 gearing.
Another thing to keep in mind the ratings between 92-93 L27'* were the same, even though the engine was modified. The L27 could get off the line better, but it will be caught later on by an L36. The L36 has the advantage in the long run of being supported because of the grand prix community while the series 1 isn't. Comparing a new car to a 13 year old car isn't the best either, take a 94 SE and a 95 SE and run em, that'll show you the differences.