As I was browsing another forum I came across this...

The ultimate sleeper
If you were to build up a realistic sleeper, what would you do? I'm not talking about buying the car, but building one up, that one wouldn't assume to be quick. I.E....buying a GNX and/or building up a GN/GNX.

Here'* my thoughts, hopefully to turn in to a realistic project:

1. Start with a 1997 Olds Cutlass Supreme sedan
2. Remove crappy 3100 V6 and 4T60-E transmission
3. Remove front brake hardware
4. Remove all four wheels and tires
5. Obtain either a L67 (Supercharged GM 3800 V6) equipped donor car, or entire powerplant stuff, including engine, trans, axles, wiring...stuff like that
6. Rebuild the L67 motor with a better valvetrain, P&P heads, performance cam, computer, headers, smaller pulley, CAI, full exhaust
7. Build up the 4T65-E HD transmission to take more torque
8. Install cross drilled front rotors, and possibly four piston front calipers, use race pads
9. Install slotted rear rotors, and replace the crappy GM rear calipers with something else, use race pads
10. Install Mille Miglia HT-3 18x8 rims in Carbon Grey, along with 225/40-R18 Bridgestone Potenza *-O3 Pole Position tires
11. Install various but necessary engine monitoring guages to keep things in check.
12. Keep up with Corvettes on the dragstrip!

This should be a $6000 or so project, yielding me a new motor, transmission, and other go fast goodies. The only outward cues will be the 18" wheels, and the upgraded brake hardware poking through.

So...what do you think?

Sounds good, but I have a few suggestions.

a. Much bigger tires, 245-255 at least in 40-45 serie, maybe
b. its gotta be a bright red two door convertible with white top
c. requisite rollbar/hoops
d. is there a manual tranny out there for these engines at all? that would be great!

Other than than great ideas (wanna buy me a car?, I'll try it)


ok ok, I was just kidding about the red w/ white top convertible...

I'd say leave the exterior bone stock that way no one would suspect a thing!

humm.. well I know a guy whose going to be puttin a L67 into a 89 90 Cavalier.. he'* sayin there'* enough room if he removes the air conditioner unit and would just fit. However he'* sayin that he'* found a manual tranny that has the same bolt pattern that'll fit and I think it was off a cavalier tranny that he'* rebuilt and beefed up? That would be a sleeper too.. an old 20 year old cavalier

All good ideas, if I had no budget...I'd do this

Take my car, drop in an L67 with M90 SC, new tranny, PCM and wiring. Get some low pros, and the Momos that dad has Lower the car about 1", intake from ADTR, RSM rotors and ceramic pads...Ty..you got those no? and get another Denali tip, cut the fibreglass base, for the dual exhaust...

And get the body work done...hee hee...whats that like $10G to do all that?

I'd hand everyone there ***...hahaha, well, rice anyway...

Oh..NOS...laff on you crazy diamond.

Is that a good sleeper?..zzzzzzzz

k...5 sec head start for the riced Civic...watch out in rear view mirror for red blur approaching fast to your left..you might feel a slight breeze...

(Inside RLD)...G-forces and loss of cabin pressure results in o2 masks deploying from overhead

Thats pretty much what I would like to do with my 89 LE but maybe use a Turbocharged Series II NA motor instead. Take the turbo off of a Grand National or a T3/T4 Hybrid Turbo from some other car. Have the turbo and headers ceramic coated to help cut down on heat and mount a large front mount intercooler in that cavernous hole that is the front of our cars.

Paint the intercooler black to help hide and keep the sleeper look. I would use stock 16 inch spider web type wheels off of a newer bonne since flashy wheels always make people think your car is fast even if it is slow as balls.

Remember sleepers should look slow so no flashy paint job or wheels. I would sand the car down and paint it flat black just like this car.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/te...cc_projsilvia/

I would keep the stock seats and stock interior as well.



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