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Old 09-14-2004, 01:45 PM   #1
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well with randmans encouragement, im back to working on making my dash exactly how i want it. i have messed around with to many of these bulbs, and i have no more spares left, just the ones in the dash. im looking at getting a brighter bulb, but the bulb is attached to the plastic housing. can i get a part number for these bulbs or something, they arent your normal pick up at walmart bulbs...

one on the left is the stocker
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Ok I have an answer

these bulbs are available from GM. I needed a bulb for my dash and looked everywhere and couldnt find one. I went to my GM parts guy (dads friend) and said that they were a Special 194 bulb. there also different types of PC bulbs the 194 is the brightest

PC194 is what you will need

BTW you cant not remove the bulb from the plastic housing (dont ask how i know this )
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thanks to you i found exactly what i was looking for

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The instrument cluster uses a variation of the wedge bulb. They are mounted in a twist lock base that plugs directly into the printed circuit board on the back of the cluster. When sold with the base, these are called PCxxx bulbs, for example a PC194 is basically a 194 bulb that comes soldered into a PC (Printed Circuit) board twist lock base. Older GM cars (around '90 and earlier) used a standard bulb which would plug into a separately available twist lock base, allowing you to easily change the bulb since you could re-use the base. The newer ones have the bulb permanently soldered into the base, so when one burns out you have to try and find the special PCxxx version rather than just replace the bulb in the existing base.

If you are going to change your instrument cluster bulbs to brighter ones, I suggest you just get the separate PC wedge bulb base, then you can use any one of the non-PC standard T3 1/4 wedge base bulbs by just plugging them in. You can get the correct stand-alone PC wedge bulb base from GM under p/n 25015169. What I did was to use that base and install a conventional 168 wedge bulb which lights up the background numerals and needles much brighter. If you want you can also replace some of the warning indicators with brighter bulbs also, that way when they light up you can't miss them. I always think about the Tim Allen joke about his wife seizing the engine after the oil light came on... "You mean you drove the car after the light came on?", "I thought if it was REALLY important it would have been brighter or something."
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BTW you cant not remove the bulb from the plastic housing (dont ask how i know this )
wanna bet
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That'* some good info there.
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ok the factory bulbs in the 93 have a white base to them. we got the old bulb out but the 194 wouldnt work when we tried to put it in. It wouldnt light up

that is what i ment by saying that you cant take it out( you cant use it again w/ another bulb)
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ok the factory bulbs in the 93 have a white base to them. we got the old bulb out but the 194 wouldnt work when we tried to put it in. It wouldnt light up

that is what i ment by saying that you cant take it out( you cant use it again w/ another bulb)
sorry to post again, but im feeling nit picky right now

the dash that randman gave me was from a 93, and they are green, so idk...

i also managed to get a stock 194 bulb into the base, you just have to take out the copper pins, then get them back in, and solder, however i didnt solder cuz the bulbs werent bright enough anyways

but im going to head to the dealership and see if i can order some PC168, cuz those looks to be the brightest

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Trade No. Design Volts Watts Amps Avg. CP Life
161 14.0 2.66 0.19 1 4000
158 14.0 3.36 0.24 2 3000
194 14.0 3.78 0.27 2 2500
192 14.0 4.62 0.33 3 2000
168 14.0 4.90 0.35 3 1500
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i went to the dealership and got some stuff figured out

1. they are retarded
2. they have no common sense
3. they dont understand bulb designs
4. they only know how to run their computers, and hunt and peck at that
5. they got me my part number!

i am going to get some PC168'*. they come with the wedge base and are 50% brighter than the stock PC194'*. the part number is 25085970. dealer wanted $4.67 each, and said i "HAD" to order at least 10, they are only $2.80 on gmpartsdirect.com and i can order them in multiples of 1. shipping is the only thing thats gonna kill me. anyone want to take part of this deal now and get a brighter dash? i will problably be doing the order later tonight.
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PC168 EIKO Twist Socket 1.79 1.59 1.39
PC194 EIKO Twist Socket 1.79 1.59 1.39

1.79 X 10

http://www.lockhart.net/j-c_distributors/bulbs.htm
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PC168 EIKO Twist Socket 1.79 1.59 1.39
PC194 EIKO Twist Socket 1.79 1.59 1.39

1.79 X 10

http://www.lockhart.net/j-c_distributors/bulbs.htm
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