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Old 09-07-2004, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default foglights on with brights?

how hard would this be to do? because i really like how the car looks with dims and fogs lit up, even with the stockers, and id like to keep that looks with the brights, but as you all know the fogs go off when the brights turn on.

its kind of a silly idea i know but thanks anyway
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It actually does have a reason for being there. When it'* foggy out you use the fog lights. If you turned your High beams on, you wouldn't stay on the road long. So pontiac figures that if you need high beams it'* not foggy. Frankly yes it'* more for a look, since high beams are basically light everywhere, but if you upgrade to aftermarket driving lights, it'* nice to have.

There'* a workour that you need to wire up. Willwren has done this, in either brainstorming or electrical forums.
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I'll have to find the post, and I'll explain a bit since my car actually works this way now....there'* a HUGE benefit to doing this in all conditions except fog. Nobody runs with brights in fog anyway (or shouldn't) so Jason'* point is moot.

Brights do not put 'light everywhere'. They project it higher and farther than the lows, so the driving lights can and DO enhance the lighting, by covering the gap in between the car and the light projected by the brights, as well as out to the sides. If you need some night shots to show the point, I can do that.

Wiring on your 96 may be different, but the theory is the same. Brights remove the ground to the fogs (driving lights), and you need to prevent this by providing a full-time ground. I'll try to find my post and link you.
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I'll have to find the post, and I'll explain a bit since my car actually works this way now....there'* a HUGE benefit to doing this in all conditions except fog. Nobody runs with brights in fog anyway (or shouldn't) so Jason'* point is moot.

Brights do not put 'light everywhere'.
Well that is my point, they sholdn't be on in fog. Why pontiac wired them up (stupidly) that way. This is a good way to get around it, but for best results mix with a bright *** aftermarket light with glass lenes, your favotire light pattern, and some cool things.

Relative to other lights, yes they do put light everwhere. Not nearly as bright as my driving lights, but that'* focused.
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Right. As long as you follow the rule not to run brights in the fog (which reflects right back in your eyes), there'* a HUGE benefit to doing this. But keep in mind, yellow fogs are much more effective. To make a point, our lights aren't really 'fogs'. They're driving lights. They enhance your view of the road to the sides and near the car. Fogs should be yellow to cut through the soup.
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Ahem. A couple of corrections here, if y'all don't mind:

1) Pontiac did not invent the concept of turning off foglamps when going to high beams. If anything, it'* industry standard, since as was pointed out, if you're using high beams, you want long range lighting with maximum reflectivity, not near-range lighting with minimum reflectivity (i.e. bounceback glare). The function of the high beams or driving lights is exactly the opposite of the foglights, so it'* typically wired as an either/or setup. Just as a random datapoint, our old '83 BMW 528e did exactly the same thing.

2) Foglamps are defined by the shape of their beam, not their color. (In France, among other places, _all_ the car headlamps were required to be tinted yellow or amber, not just foglamps, although I think they may have relaxed that restriction now.)

Foglamps project a wide, flat, short-range beam and are mounted as far from the driver'* line of sight as possible in order to reduce glare.

Driving lights project a narrow, long-range beam and are mounted as high as possible, so that the driver can see reflections at a greater distance.

In fact, the SSE/SSEi "foglight" mounting position is ideal for driving lights, even though the factory went and stuck actual foglights in there. Put some real driving lights in there, fiddle the wiring so that they come on with your high beams instead of your low beams, and you'll be all set.
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In fact, the SSE/SSEi "foglight" mounting position is ideal for driving lights, even though the factory went and stuck actual foglights in there. Put some real driving lights in there, fiddle the wiring so that they come on with your high beams instead of your low beams, and you'll be all set.
Case in point.... my 91....
She'* got a set of Pilot150 fogs (outside lights) that I use for fog and normal driving.
The inside lights are Pilot150 driving lights, I use these for highbeam, and are rigged upto my highbeam switch.

I believe what I did was wire a relay between my existing highbeams and the power is supplied from the battery (fused of course) for the Pilot150 Driving Lights(highbeams).

They make a wicked combo.... esp with ultra bright H3s in there.
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Ahem. A couple of corrections here, if y'all don't mind:

1) Pontiac did not invent the concept of turning off foglamps when going to high beams. If anything, it'* industry standard, since as was pointed out, if you're using high beams, you want long range lighting with maximum reflectivity, not near-range lighting with minimum reflectivity (i.e. bounceback glare). The function of the high beams or driving lights is exactly the opposite of the foglights, so it'* typically wired as an either/or setup. Just as a random datapoint, our old '83 BMW 528e did exactly the same thing.

2) Foglamps are defined by the shape of their beam, not their color. (In France, among other places, _all_ the car headlamps were required to be tinted yellow or amber, not just foglamps, although I think they may have relaxed that restriction now.)

Foglamps project a wide, flat, short-range beam and are mounted as far from the driver'* line of sight as possible in order to reduce glare.

Driving lights project a narrow, long-range beam and are mounted as high as possible, so that the driver can see reflections at a greater distance.

In fact, the SSE/SSEi "foglight" mounting position is ideal for driving lights, even though the factory went and stuck actual foglights in there. Put some real driving lights in there, fiddle the wiring so that they come on with your high beams instead of your low beams, and you'll be all set.
Good points Andy. The lack of fogs/driving lights with highs are actually regulated by the NHTSA. (National Highway Transportation Safety Administration). When comparing identical foglights from an optical standpoint (lamp and reflector are identical) with one being clear and one being amber, the amber will tend to 'cut' the fog a bit better. It'* a wavelength thing. But as Andy pointed out, the farthest from the driver'* line of sight, the better. You don't want it reflecting right back at you.

Can this mod be done? Yes.
Is it better for normal driving? Yes. TONS better, especially with aftermarket lights.
Do you have to remember not to use high beams in the fog? Yes. Just like before the mod.
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ah that post is very interesting, but i do have a couple of questions.

1st i could find what the heck you were talkin about Will , does someone with a car similar to mine have an idea? or a pic? can you give a pic of the connector before its pulled out?

also where exactly do you ground the green/black striped wire to? do you just splice into it with another wire or what? im kind of wiring ignorant but i can figure it out eventually.

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