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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 11:45 PM
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Wait until you see the price of meat...

As if the corn market wasn't subsidised enough, tack on some extra ethanol incentives and what do you have? 450 million pounds less of anticipated pork production...

Energy and food prices could be surprisingly high this year, anyone care to bet on an average gasoline cost of $3 a gallon this summer?

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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Foghorn
Wait until you see the price of meat...

As if the corn market wasn't subsidised enough, tack on some extra ethanol incentives and what do you have? 450 million pounds less of anticipated pork production...
If ethanol ends up being more than a fad, it will be the end of grain subsidies. Farmers would sure rather live off their grain instead of the government. My guess however is within 10 years corn won't even be the main feedstock for ethanol.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenBullet
isnt there already a small amount of ethanol in regular pump gas? maybe like 10% or something? :?:
Depends on where you are. Here, we have none. Zero.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by willwren
Depends on where you are. Here, we have none. Zero.
Lucky...you have to look all over the place to find a pump in wisconsin that doesn't have any corn in the gas
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Foghorn
...anyone care to bet on an average gasoline cost of $3 a gallon this summer?
Can I have some of that $3/gallon gasoline? 87 Octane is $3.40/gallon in San Diego right now, and that'* DOWN about 20 cents/gal from a few months ago...

I'm budgeting for $4/gallon this summer.

The only "mainstream" gas in SoCal that has ethanol is Arco (10% blend, I think). It'* like 5% cheaper, and people flock to those pumps, apparently not realizing that they're getting 10% fewer miles/gal on their non FFV'* :P

E85 pumps are cropping up around here, though. If that goes mainstream across the West, I might consider someday modding the 2004 LeSabre to run it.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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10% ethanol will not decrease your mileage by 10%.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 11:43 AM
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I hope this fad dies...and fast.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by J Wikoff
10% ethanol will not decrease your mileage by 10%.
Yes, perhaps I exaggerate...5%? 7%?

Originally Posted by Allmachtige
I hope this fad dies...and fast.
Why?
I'm still formulating my opinion on ethanol...but from what I know (and believe) up to now (particularly versus other petroleum-reduction options being discussed), I'm for it.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Allmachtige
I hope this fad dies...and fast.
i doubt it.. there are more ethanol plants popping up than mcdonalds in a 60 mile radius of me
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Ethanol contains 63% of the internal energy of gasoline. 37% of 10% is 3.7%. That would be the theoretical loss in MPG. Average difference in many lab tests I've read is 2%.
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