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Old 08-26-2005, 03:33 PM   #21
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I think it'* sad that the Bonneville has to be axed just a couple of years from the big 50.
But then again, since GM allowed the flagship vehicle of it'* "Performance Division"(that'* proved to be a big joke the last five years) to stagnate and wither, it'* probably best that it disappears for a while.
If Pontiac is to remain the "Performance Division" of GM it needs to just that, geared more for performance. What'* with the mini-vans, and mini-SUV type vehicles? When I think performance I think, low to the ground and fast(ala Trans Am), a mini-van/wagon type thing(read Matrix)/SUV don't portray this well.
There'* a lot more I'd like to say, but most of those thoughts have already been touched on.
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:37 PM   #22
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I love my 2000 SSEi. I test drove the GXP, and the performance "feel" was gone. We need more than just the rumble of the Borla exhaust to "feel" like we're in a peformance/luxury sedan. Off the line torque is what sold the SSEi.

Perhaps the line was cut also for the purpose of making the SSEi (and Bonneville) vintage? I wouldn't think so.

Making one last model of the Bonneville with the LS1 and RWD with a 6 speed manual on it'* 50th would do just that.

But, I'm dreaming and drooling now.
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Old 08-30-2005, 08:02 PM   #23
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I very sad to bonnieville go but being performance that 00+ just isn't what most modern performence car was.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:12 PM   #24
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Sales dropped off on the Bonneville for one simple reason. It'* a piece of crap. It'* the main reason I will never own another American car as long as I live. My 01 Bonnie had the transmission replaced at 70k because it basically disentigrated in the case. I bought a rebuilt from Roadmaster transmissions, and it has been smooth sailing ever since. One in four 4T65E transmissions fail, and that'* one reason nobody wants a GM passenger vehicle. My car has also been plagued with strange electrical problems and have the lights on the dash and guage cluster have burnt out. I have replaced the hub and bearing assemblies on the front wheels 3 times, replaced the A/C compressor, and now the antilock brakes are not working. Go ahead and claim it'* due to lack of proper PM! You're wrong. I maintain my vehicles according to the manufacturer'* recommendations and then some. If this were a Toyota, even if I didn't it would hold up.
By way of comparison, my '89 Accord has 296,000+ miles on it and is still going strong with the original transmission and engine, having never been overhauled and needing no major repairs whatsoever. My '91 4Runner has 253,000 miles, also on the original engine, transfer case, and transmission. All the electrical parts work fine, and it gets the same gas mileage it did when it was brand new.
When American cars start to compare in quality to Toyota and Honda'*, sales will stop declining. And then, only if priced competatively. There'* a reason that the Accord and the Camry slam the American car companies in sales. That'* my $0.02USD.
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Well I have some thoughts to GM about their inability to try at keeping the Bonneville alive. Before I bought my 1992 Bonneville I had a 1990 Geo Metro Lsi and I thought that was the worst car to drive then finally the day came it broke down and I had to look for a new car. I have always like the 92-99 body styling of these cars. Lucky me I found a 1992 Bonneville SSE in perfect shape with 50,000 miles. Well 15,000 miles later the car still has the get up and go and decent fuel economy at that. Now since you have come out with the GXP Bonneville I have yet to see one on the road, maybe because of the 40,000+ price tag. Now if you understood how everyone on Bonneville club loves their car I would reconsider about taking the Bonneville line out completely, if the price tag was lower for the SE model more people would buy them. Remember also as fuel prices rise think of fuel economy without sacrificing the power of the 3800 engine. Hopefully the designer of Pontiac understands that the new Bonneville'* are not the best looking. Change the design to a more sleek and sporty version and price it low enough so younger generations can afford it, and they will say they want a Pontiac Bonneville.
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I've had my 95 bonneville SE 3800 series 2 for 3 years now with around 125k now. Before that I had a 96 Olds 88 with the same motor that lasted 178k. I'm 37 divorced and have a 6 year old daughter. The bonneville is the perfect family performance car. I don't at all feel like an old man or like my father driving this car, I did driving the Olds though. The bonnie has more than enough balls, plently of low end tourque, is very comfortable, roomy,very stylish and aggresive, handles great for a large carand is a safe car for my daughter. The Bonneville name is a reason I bought the car. It envolkes memories of performance, style and you knew coming down the road you had a bad car.

Pontiac is supposed to the performance division of GM. But GM has been braindead since 1982 when they wouldn't let pontiac put the turbo 301 in the new trans am because all chevy had was the 150hp wheezer 305 motor, its all been downall from there. All GM cares about is cost cutting. They have no clue what they are doing. The 92-99 bonneville'* sold great so what does GM do? What they always do, redisign the car for a different segement to attract more buyers ignoring the previous ones using old and exsisting technology. Then it doesn't sell, so they leave it alone for a few years or they just kill it all the while doing no advertising.
Look at the success of the new mustang compared to the GTO. I saw the GM brass showing off the new goat to old GTO guys on TV. The marketing guys were so proud as they claimed that BMW and other high end buyers would flock to the new goat for its better price than the M3 and such. It just shows how out of touch they are. Guys that buy BMW'* and Audi'* and such are not going to buy a GTO. The older GTO guys there said the car drove nice but the styling was terrible, none would buy one. They all said where are the hood scoops, dual exhausts? Its too plain looking. It doesn't look like a GTO. When you see it you don't think 60'* musclecar. It looks like a grand prix with a different rear and lame wheels.The car is marketed to people who wouldn't step into a pontiac showroom to see a jet car if they had one. My point being GM who does your market research?
The bonnevile could be a big seller if it was rear drive with a version of the ls-6 under the hood with a 6 speed manual and a 5 speed auto, plain and simple. The mopar dealers can't keep anything witha hemi in stock and they damn nicer than GM'*. I never thought I would ever say that! Not from the K-car company. The way GM is going, pontiac will end up like oldsmobile, the last Olds were great cars but GM didn;t have a clue how to market them, I know I used to sell them.
I cried to see the firebird'* and camaro'* go away because GM refused to invest any money in them, IE: new mustang selling like the 64 model, bring back the bonneville soon but only if its a worthy car of its proud heritage,
Oh and 96-99 bonnevilles actually hold there value better on dealer lots than 2000 and up used models do.. Look it up, you.ll see People want 96-99'* more than they want a 2000..
Good goin GM..More loyal customers bite the dust....
I hate to say it but 30 grand for the 345HP hemi charger is better than the new 303HP grand prix..IF i were to buy a new car, it would be the charger, and I've never owned a chrsyler nor ever thought I ever would, but it is the better car performance and looks wise and price and its rear wheel drive like musclecars are supposed to be....
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Good goin GM..More loyal customers bite the dust....
I hate to say it but 30 grand for the 345HP hemi charger is better than the new 303HP grand prix..IF i were to buy a new car, it would be the charger, and I've never owned a chrsyler nor ever thought I ever would, but it is the better car performance and looks wise and price and its rear wheel drive like musclecars are supposed to be....
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I've never been able to figure out how the 2000+ cars can be longer than the 92-99 cars and yet it seems that when you get in one that it feels like you are driving a subcompact! My child'* carseat fits better in my old '95 bonneville or in my '93 Lumina which is a smaller car, right? And as several have mentioned the 92-99 vehicles have much more comfortable interior.

I would have NEVER NEVER paid sticker price for my vehicle. I cannot imagine why anyone would pay $28K for a Bonneville SE. There'* just nothing all that special about it. To me it'* an ordinary car. Nothing stands out about it. The 92-99 cars had character to them. The untrained eye might not be able to distinguish a 2000+ bonneville from a grand am based on how similar these vehicles look!

When I test drove a 2000+ my thoughts were "this feels smaller than my '95, the interior sure is cheap, the gauges are much harder to read than my '95, but with a program car price, I'll take it. Any why does this thing have a 3800 Series II?? And I have no idea why anyone would ever pay retail for this car."
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as my sig at the bottom of my post says i own a 68 and a 92 bonneville i love both and as listed earlier this car is a legacy of pontiacs and now you are getting rid of it. pontiac is GM'* performance division right so why not do the new bonnes like my 68 big block 400 with a bullet proof turbo400 tranny back then the body style didnt covewr more then 2-3 years just look and my 68 only other year close is 69 and thats it plus those car rust faster then the performance dies i still can get that car to roast the tires off. i like the new 2000and up body style but comfort went down hill from the 92-99 styles and the GXP was to luxurious then raw performance its great you tryed the overpowered family sedan aspect that pontiac is nitorious forbut it flopped because you went for overppowered comfort instead of overpowered performance many people that want bonnes get SSEi because those are just as sporty and you can custom them more then a GXP.

my final thought is that pontiac better step up to their name and show that they are the performance division and that means that dont focus strictly on grand am and grand prix, but also focus on your flagship and add some performance to the whole line up bigger optional motors, turbos supercharger etc. do some focus on the whole line up keep the same line up and increase perfomance, have seperate luxury and performance models do something better then getting rid of a legacy
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I have just a few things to say..First off You killed off the Oldsmobile why would you kill off the Bonneville wasn't the Camaro and Firebird enough? At this rate if you guys keep it up within the next few years what will become of GM?You guys are getting rid of cars that America fell in love with,and replacing them with names that no one has heard of or cares to hear about.Do like Mopar and Ford did and dig into the archives and redesign..Bring back the Bel Airs and the Olds line..Make a 50th anniversary Bonneville..Make it a convertible like how it was introduced back in 1957.Hey if the Ford 500 can make a come back the Belair and other cars from the gm line up of yesteryear can do it too...
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