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Old 02-23-2003, 01:10 AM   #21
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there is a few of us that have modded bonnies ...............mines one..... runs strong ...though i don`t go looking to smack one....its has happen and yes there are 2 of us here that run in the 12`* even 11`*.................. no reason to flame one cuz one is faster than the next.and i`m non-limited for topend..well i am now cuz i have a 3.79 ratio in her
i have no problem keeping up to most people i`ve run with...Bmw`* ETc
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I bet there'* 5 cars here that can take your stang right now. More up and coming. The funny thing is, most of them are 10 years older than your mustang
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I've driven mom'* Mach I twice now. I got it as low as 13.96 at Richmond, reaction time was .32, so it was a good run. Being that it is her mid-life crisis car, she has had it tweaked a little by the local shop. Still can't hang with my heavy breather. And the distance will grow this summer as I install the ram air and the STB'* up front.
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Wow fords are so great there'* a reason that they are called Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On Reserve Dump, Found On Road Dead may be I am just biased, the GT is nice but man every stang I see around is a piece of **** and I have never heard a good thing fromfriends who owned mustangs (except the Shelby GT500 )They usually switch to a bonnie or rice
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Actually in comparison to most domestic cars, Ford is right about even with the others in quality, Chrysler is a step ahead though. I've had no problems with the mustang as of yet, and though I'm not switching, I AM getting a bonneville this summer :thumbsup: The mustang being a performance/sports car isn't supposed to be something that will last forever, it'* gonna need some work on it if you drive it hard. Same thing with camaros/fire-birds for the last 30+ years. High performance cars don't have a lot of margin for error, and when something goes wrong it usually goes really bad.

But saying this is true only about mustangs isnt fair, as I said, same deal with camaros/firebirds, DSM engine cars like the talon and the eclipse, the RX-7, the supra.

In the end it all comes down to the almighty dollar, and what look you like, personally I like the look of the mustang.

(9 out of 10 camaro drivers have mullets too )
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I dunno man, all the dodges and Fords ive dealth with have problems constantly. They get brought into the shop and never get the problems solved.

My familes always owned GMs (except that damn Aries K and a Volkwagon Rabbit - cool *** car!) When the GM'* are brought to the shop the problems is ususally solved the first time. My '93 Corsica had 148,000 when she got totaled and she ran just like she was brand new. Now the aries, in the same age, had idle problems, was rusting out and tons of other electrical/fuel problems.
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Could just be your personal experience, a friend of mine works at a auto-shop and he said he works on about the same number of ford/gm cars and less chrysler products. Really the whole "my brand is better than yours" is a matter of personal preference, apart from small differences and cosmetic differences the cars are essentially built with the same quality of parts and labor. I've never had a Ford that I've had to "Fix Or Repair Daily"
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That is not totally true. According to J.D. Power and Associates study of Inital Quality for all manufactures found Toyota and Honda to be number 1 and 2. GM came in at number 3 first time in all the years of Intial Quality that a domestic manufacturer came in at that high. Ford and the Chrysler part of DaimlerChrysler came in alot lower. However Ford was ranked higher that Chrysler. Every car company makes lemons though. Personal perfence has a lot to do with peoples purchases too. Just a reminder that GM'* quality is rising faster that Ford'* or Chrysler'*.
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Yeah it is the same with all cars. LOL Tru Blu with the mullet comment, cause it is so true. My friend wants a camaro and has horrible facial hair so we call him face mullet
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I could borrow my brothers 1992 Dodge Daytona. It'* got a 2.2 engine in it. Bone stock it runs 13.6-14.0 1/4'*. Add a full 3" exhaust, cone filter, a grainger valve ($7 of various hardware from Grainger and about 3 minutes putting it together), replace the stock intercooler with one from a Chrysler Conquest, a pair of slicks, $50 for a pair of air shocks to stiffen up the rear and tralalala we're in the mid 12'* on the street. A car that can be had for $3000 (because no one even know'* about them hardly), and under $600 in mods. That'* $3600 for a 12 second car. How much did you pay per hp? Stock hp in the Daytona is 224. With the mods it'* right around 300. Oh, and it still gets better gas mileage in town than you do on the freeway. On the freeway the Daytona get'* 32-35 mpg (stock around 40 mpg). Oh, and did I forget to say this same drivetrain came in 191 Dodge Spirit'* in 1992? That car even is quicker 0-60 than the Daytona (5.4 vs. 5.6). Top speed on a 1992 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T tested at Las Vegas Speedway was clocked at 171 mph.
You may, laugh, but I'm talking a 1 of less than 300 made 1992 Dodge Spirit R/T'*. Lotus Designed 2.2 liter DOHC TIII Turbo engine with a true Getrag 5-speed transmission, forged crank and piston'*, bone stock and it leaves even Mustang Cobra'* of the mid-late 90'* like a bat out of hell (that'* bone stock).
With the above listed mods with the right driver it could probably pull even with a stock G1 Viper on the street. At the track he has whooped many a supercharged 5.0. Very few times has he been beaten. Even my 1988 Chrysler Lebaron GTC drop-top when tuned properly with the mods I have done to it could probably run low 13'* and i've hardly got any after-market mods done to it. Mostly mix and match factory parts from all the various versions of their 2.2 turbo engines (1985 TI G-casting head, 1988 TBI cam, 1989 block, pistons, crank, TII turbo, 1989 TII down-pipe, 1989 TII ecm, 1985 rods, Daytona Iroc R/T intercooler, 1991 Daytona Shelby 5-speed trans, all equate out to around 240 horse thrown together without being modified (i.e. ported, shaved, etc....).
If that'* not enough go to e-town and meet of with Gary Donavan of the Shelby Dodge crowd out east. he run'* 10'* in his 1986(?) Plymouth Reliant. Hell even Pinto owner put these Chrysler engines in their cars. Mike Demoss has a 1987 Dodge Charger (actually a Shelby GLH-*) that run'* 10'*. How about Thomas Gus Mahon'* (has one of many turbo Caravan'* that are running low-mid 12'* without NOS with a 2.2 or 2.5 turbo engine).
To get back to Bonnevilles vs. new stangs my old 1992 Bonneville SE n/a modded to only about 200 hp and I flat out whooped my two friends who have 2002/2003 Mustang'* with the 3.8 v6 5-spd'* (don't say that'* because... -both the Bonneville (10 years old and with almost 300k unrebuilt) and the Mustangs have the same displacement). I even took off with heavy wheel spin too. In less than 1000' I had about 12 car lengths on them and they were by no means catching up.
I want my newest Bonneville to be a testament to the world what these GM 3800'* are capable of (powerful, reliable, unsurpassable).
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