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Old 10-11-2007, 10:48 PM   #21
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Why is there confusion re: chassis of the 00+ Bonneville? Per the VIN, its an H body car, just because it shares a lot of features with the 01+ Aurora, doesn't make it a G-body.
I'd bet it was Brian. He'* always egging someone on by saying it'* a G.
Actually, it was me, but the way I wrote it, there wouldn't be a bit of confusion. I never said that it was not an H-, I just said, CORRECTLY, that it shared the G-platform while retaining the H- VIN code, as did the LeSabre. I feel it needs to be noted that the entire car was redesigned for 00+, not just a "freshening-up" like the W-body got so many times...
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Theres a note at the top of the page that says the "neutrality" of the article is in dispute. Interesting.
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Its not neutral, it was written by people who love the car. seriously..who else would write it? who posted the neutrality notice? someone here?
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I imagine it was someone who dislikes Bonnevilles, lol...probably someone from the GP site..haha.

It is slightly bias, and maybe unsubstantiated, unverifiable claims should be removed. I think it looks good to me, but a college professor would freak out over the way its written. I have personal experience with this, lol.

The idea when writing something worthy of inclfusion in a scholarly work like Wikipedia is to be CONCISE, PRECISE, SUCCINCT and avoid things that can't be proven (i.e. only facts, no opinions). The article needs to be approached in the same manner one would write a college paper.

It sucks because naturally as lovers of the car we want to gush over how great it is...but Wikipedia isn't the place for that sort of thing.

Just my 2 cents on the topic.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:10 AM   #25
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Its not neutral, it was written by people who love the car. seriously..who else would write it? who posted the neutrality notice? someone here?
maybe that guy that came on and tried to "borrow" 8-ball

what a tool
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:20 AM   #26
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Hey, RJG.

Care to rewrite it in total neutrality? I could try, but I have problems not throwing opinions in there. Personally I find it to be a very valuable resource to have peoples honest opinions on something, but yes, non factual info has no place on wikipedia. However, I don't understand how people like that put notices like that and yet do nothing to try and fix it, just care to point a finger.
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I totally agree, its worthless to post a notice like that and not submit some form of help to the article.

It'* hard for ANYONE to write something in total neutrality, let alone someone who loves the subject being written about. I'd like to do it, but I don't think that I could rewrite it without being opinionated either. It'* a very hard thing to do, I've had to do it many times in college papers that I was passionate about the subject (such as political things).

Personally I think the article has the right mix of facts and opinion to give the reader an accurate picture of the car. However, approaching it from a purely collegiate/scholarly standpoint, it doesn't exactly meet the qualifications. I say leave it and let the people whine, just like superchargers
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Actually, it was me, but the way I wrote it, there wouldn't be a bit of confusion. I never said that it was not an H-, I just said, CORRECTLY, that it shared the G-platform while retaining the H- VIN code, as did the LeSabre. I feel it needs to be noted that the entire car was redesigned for 00+, not just a "freshening-up" like the W-body got so many times...
I was under the understanding that the Aurora, Lesabre, and Bonneville shared the same chassis for 2000-2005. That'* what all the articles and websites say. Is that true or not?
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Yes they share many things.. but not their vin designation.
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