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Old 09-11-2002, 08:33 AM   #11
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I wish they still made them, I'd buy one. Those were actually pretty cool cars!
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There'* 2 companies (one bought the original name) making aftermarket parts for them now, as well as doing complete restoration. One of them is offering a more powerful motor.

On a side note, I met the Old Man Delorean'* daughter years ago. Pumping gas at a Shell Station in Davis, CA, she pulls in to full serve in a Delorean, and pays with a Shell card with guess what name on it? I put 2 n 2 together, 'cuz I'm a pretty fart smeller, smart feller, and asked her what she thought of the car.

I won't quote her directly, 'cuz we have yunguns on the site, but let'* just say she was less than pleased......

Delorean is selling WATCHES now, trying to finance the R&D on a new car or two. :P
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I can say that I have actually driven & worked on a Delorean. There was a guy here in Edmonton that owned a restaurant & bar that had one. I ran the local Mr. Lube at that time across the street. The other car of note that I had a privledge of just working on was a Farrari boxer (like Magnum PI'*).
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Red DeLorean? Sounds like it was involved in an accident...can't fill a dent on an un-painted stainless steel car without noticing. Those brushed stainless panels were nice...until you had to replace them!

As for the engine, it was a V6 Renault. That, and the fact that the gull wing doors leaked badly, were probably why John'* daughter wasn't pleased with her ride. They have restoration kits for the doors, but a Renault engine is still a Renault engine . I had a Renault Gordini (special edition of an R-17) and it was a pain to work on with accessory pulleys on both ends of the engine. It was also a front wheel drive, but the engine was not mounted transversely. A used alternator for that car cost me $125.00 and a remanufactured alternator would have cost me $425.00 (in 1989). Needless to say I didn't keep that car very long.

On a side note, it was a fun car to drive. The convertable top slid back to the hatch back making a very unique body style.
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Hey everyone...I saw the post on the GX/P. It is a sexy car but we can definitely make one on our own if we want. But the sad news is that Pontiac has decided to discontinue the Bonneville. I don't know if you guys knew that but the '03 production vehicle is the last Bonneville. GM has decided it has too many full size sedans and they're dropping the Bonneville after this next year. The GX/P will never see the light of day....we're in for the same as the Firebird in '02 :( Sad but true...better hold on to what we have now!

Just some thoughts....
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Hey everyone...I saw the post on the GX/P. It is a sexy car but we can definitely make one on our own if we want. But the sad news is that Pontiac has decided to discontinue the Bonneville. I don't know if you guys knew that but the '03 production vehicle is the last Bonneville. GM has decided it has too many full size sedans and they're dropping the Bonneville after this next year. The GX/P will never see the light of day....we're in for the same as the Firebird in '02 :( Sad but true...better hold on to what we have now!

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I had heard the same but I don't remember where. The rumor I heard said the GP would most likely become a 4 door sedan only as they would drop the 2 door coupe option. Not sure if that is entirely true or not.
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SSEi95...you're right. The '03 Grand Prix'* are already out and they are only available in sedan form...no more coupes. Pontiac has definitely discontinued the Bonneville...it just isn't widely known yet. Actually, the sunfire was supposed to go as well because Pontiac initially thought the Vibe would replace the Sunfire but that isn't the case so they've decided to keep the sunfire around a little while longer. The GTO is basically replacing the Firebird and the Grand Prix'* will get a face lift in '04 (due out in April of '03 I hear) but our Bonnies are gone.
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GM is really doing a great job of trying to beat the imports. Cancel the Bonneville esp. after showing the coolest version the G/X-P (the extra power it should have had from the start-IMO they can andshould extract every horsepower out of that motor. N/A could easily get about 230-250 and with a blower another 25-40. to add to the blower they should have an intercooler 30-40. total hp. with a blower and intercooler 285-330)
Then they BUILD the Aztec.
They drop the Firebire, Grand Prix Coupe.
They have Toyota build the Vibe for them (I don't understand why GM can'y build a high revving four cylinder motor)
the Impala SS was killed when it was at the pinacle of performance. I still haven't seen a performance version of the Malibu.
After finally creating vehicles that were capable of competeing against imports, they kill Oldsmobile (although Saturn is losing more money than Oldsmobile and Saturns are junk).
I really hope Lutz knows what he'* doing.
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Way back before the talk of DeLorean’* there was talk about the 600hp twin screw sc 3.8 l. well I am sure if Scott wanted to he could talk with lee performance and tell us where the mold for the intercooler they used to bolt it to the engine is. The twin screw would be awesome on our cars. That said the transaxle would have to be made even stronger. I e-mailed lee performance a few times but no go all he would talk about was Turbos for the 4.6l. LOL so I figured since there was no response there was no interest in sharing.

So if you have the cash you could bolt the great "twin screw" on your SC engine and get that magic 600hp. LOL oh you might want to upgrade the rest as well so you can have that 600hp a little longer than a few minutes.

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SSEi95...you're right. The '03 Grand Prix'* are already out and they are only available in sedan form...no more coupes. Pontiac has definitely discontinued the Bonneville...it just isn't widely known yet. Actually, the sunfire was supposed to go as well because Pontiac initially thought the Vibe would replace the Sunfire but that isn't the case so they've decided to keep the sunfire around a little while longer. The GTO is basically replacing the Firebird and the Grand Prix'* will get a face lift in '04 (due out in April of '03 I hear) but our Bonnies are gone.
The decision to drop the GP coupe came from the same line as the decision to drop the F-Bodies after so long. The sales just weren't there and the cars didn't fit into the new global platforms that all GM'* will be on by 2006.

As for the end of the Bonneville... I would love to know where you got this from. My father worked for GM for 30+ years and in using some of his connections into the world of Bob Lutz, I will now give everyone the full Pontiac Monte:

GP - Interior and fascia redo in late 2003-possible stretching by 3-6 inches in length. Possible engines include the dropping of the 3.4. 3.8'* will include L36 and the new L71 GX/P proto engine. This engine was well received by the guys in the factory and in random questionaires done at the auto shows. A few early production L71'* might sneak into next year'* late GTP and SSEI models.

GTO - tenetive release in May 2003, depends on final Federal approvals

Sunfire - Watch this to morph into the Solstice somewhere around 2004-2006. Unclear as to engine selection now, but watch for a turbo version of the 2.2L

Grand AM - This is where things start to get good. The GA is slated to go onto the Sigma platform for 2004. This means a larger, possibly rear-drive GA. The Sigma platform can be front, rear or all wheel drive, so we'll have to wait on that. Engines slated at this time: 3.4(base - could change to the newer 3.5), 3.8 L36!!! It is possible that the 3.8 will get the Ram Air option for the GT, but it will not get the L67 or L71.

Asstec - This is Pontiac'* Gremlin. It will finally go the way of the Gremlin late in the 2004 year, possibly being replaced by (this is a seriously guarded GM secret) a version of the Holden 'Ute. It would enter as a 2005 model ONLY if the GTO sells up to it'* numbers. This could be good...

Bonneville - Now for the news everyone'* been arguing about for 3 years. THE BONNEVILLE IS NOT GOING AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the demise of Oldsmobile, the Aurora and it'* development team has been looking for a home and seems to have found one. The next-gen Bonnie will be a revamped Aurora with a generational reskinning to come into Pontiac'* fold. The timing of the switch is uncertain as of right now, but the engineers say late 2004 - mid 2005 release. What does this mean for us? It means production V8 performance power for the first time since 1972. The engine selection will be as follows, in increasing order of optioning:
L36 - SE
L71 - SSE/SLE (SLE may be dropped)
A41(internal designation) - SSEi
Watch for this motor to produce somewhere in the 300-325 range IF the GTO comes over with the Australian specs pretty much intake. If not, it may go as low as 275, but not much more. Torque will be up in the 280-300 range. Here'* the kicker... this new-gen Bonnie will most likely be RWD with a similar setup to the Vette - rear trans for better weight distribution.

All this comes as our new car-god, Bob Lutz, goes ape over moving each of the divisions further way from each other and making the divisions "brands" again. Chevy will become more bland, having only base levels of performance. Buick will go near-lux, with an emphasis on the older crowd. Cadillac is still having an identity crisis, but that will end with the intro of the XLR roadster. It will not be you Grampa'* ride.. he'd better get used to Buick. Pontiac will be where the hot rods will live, from top to bottom. No more minivans, crossovers or Gremlin-like creations of overly-caffinated 35 year old designers.

This report brought to you courtesy of my dad, Dave Wimmer and Mr Robert Lutz.

PONTIAC RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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