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Old 02-06-2006, 01:40 AM   #1
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I have been doing some diggin around on my own and found out SE really does mean Slow Edition. I had put up a post asking about actual hp for the Series 2 NA.

Upon further inspection I have deduced it is around 164 whp. What a bummer.

That mean we lose 20% of our power going just to the front wheels.

So with the mods I'm planning on making I'm just barely gonna be able to hit 200 whp.
The next mods on my list are 1.9'*, LS6 springs, and a hi-flow cat.

Man I'm so bummed, I didn't think my car is really that slow. :(

Oh Well,
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Tim..

Every car loses about that much in drivetrain.

Does your car feel any faster or slower than it did before you knew there'* drivetrain loss?
Nope..
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I knew there is drivetrain loss in any car, I just didn't realize it would be so great in a front wheel drive. Would it be logical to think that the loss is greater in a rear wheel drive?? Or would it be about the same??

After thinking about it though the 20-25 whp I'll be adding is a pretty good jump over stock. I have already added ~15 whp, so I'm not so bummed anymore.


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Please make your topic titles more applicable to contents of the thread.

I changed the topic title for you.
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I knew there is drivetrain loss in any car, I just didn't realize it would be so great in a front wheel drive. Would it be logical to think that the loss is greater in a rear wheel drive?? Or would it be about the same??

After thinking about it though the 20-25 whp I'll be adding is a pretty good jump over stock. I have already added ~15 whp, so I'm not so bummed anymore.


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dont be dissapointed.....dodge/chrylster trannies have WAAAY more driveline loss than than we do
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You change the topic title on my post thats fine, I just don't want to see any more title like what I saw the other night "WTF is wrong now"


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20% loss is about as good as it gets for an auto tranny. Chrysler trannies lose a good 24%! Fords loose 23%. So, we have the good end of the deal. Ever wonder why a stock 240hp SSEi can SMOKE a 252hp Chrysler 300M? Or why an SE (you're car) with 205hp can smoke a 215hp Dodge Intrepid or the lighter 200hp Mustang V6? I'd say our trannies are very efficient.
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Yeah, fantastic I guess you are right. I didn't realize that the other makes and models lose more than we do. Upon reflection 20% is pretty efficient.

We do have good cars with a lot of potential.

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Here'* some food for thought....

You may lose 20 Hp throught the drivetrain, but torque is multiplied. I don't remember figures from the top of my head, but say the S2 NA puts out 215 lbs torque. Going through a tranny geared with a 2.86:1 ratio, you are getting 614.9 lbs torque to the axle. That'* not even including the axle ratio. Say that'* another 2.75 (Conservatively thinking). That comes to 1690.975 lbs of torque. It'* torque that you feel, not the HP. In other words, that'* what lays you back in the seat. HP will more accurately reflect how fast a car'* top speed can be, considering weight, aerodynamics, etc.

FYI, it takes 8X the amount of HP to go 200 MPH, than it does to go 100MPH.

Having owned one of those 215 HP Dodge Intrepids, and having a buddy who owned a 252 HP 300M, I can assure you that an SSEi will smoke a 300M, and an SE will smoke an Intrepid. Plus, Dodge transmissions really SUCK.

A 20% loss through the drivetrain is pretty common, even in rear-wheel drive cars.
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That is some interesting numbers, How did you do the math??


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