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1995 Ponitac Bonneville SE 9 100.00%
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Old 03-27-2004, 04:35 PM   #11
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The stock rims I use to have were the steel wheel crap, and hell, you could throw them like 30 yards down field. I would imagine only 10lbs, not heavy at all. As far as the 16" Wire wheels go, I have no idea, probably not much more.

Enkei are cool! What do you have on there now? With the size difference and weight, the odomater reading was thrown off by 1.2mph. Not a big deal but just to let you know.
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Yea, try flooring a bonne on a open road somewhere. From 0-10ish mph it will take off at a decent pace, but soon you will feel a kick when the torque comes into play with the transmission, then it really takes off.
On series II maybe, but Series I have torque much lower. If you're launching from a 5-10MPH roll, you'll scream by.
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Not a roll, but a dead stop. Rolls are also a little different for me, I can take off better.
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But bouncing off a limiter isn't as fun as laying rubber
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But bouncing off a limiter isn't as fun as laying rubber
i guess it'* a pain when you bounce off your limiter. i know laying rubber is fun with my L36 though
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But bouncing off a limiter isn't as fun as laying rubber
Foot to the floor shredding the tires and hit the limiter at 6000
you forgot the shifting at 5900 part
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Keep in mind that DOHC cars with higher powerbands take advantage of shorter gearing (especially final drive ratio), so off-the-line advantages may be lessened because of this. Watch out

example: Our Toyota has 165lb-ft @ 4400rpm. It'* got a 4.10 rear end (plus limited-slip), and weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the Bonny, yet I'd say that it'* faster (it'* taken out H-bodies before). The 45 less lb-ft is made up with by gearing. The disadvantage to this is that highway cruising RPM'* are a bit higher, in my case, 2500.
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Do you think a 95 bonneville would be faster and more powerful than a 1999 olds intrigue with a 3.5 twin cam (shortstar) thats my moms car and i am pretty damn impressed by that car smokes the **** out of my friends 95 avenger on the track or if not faster how close would it be?
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repin, so if that same DOHC car beat one of us off the blocks, it wouldnt stand a chance on the highway?
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Old 03-27-2004, 07:04 PM   #20
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What do you mean? What I was saying that the Bonneville/3800'* advantage off the line may be offset a bit (or totally, I wouldn't know that) by shorter gearing generally paired with DOHC motors. A short final drive ends up helping performance on the highway, if you floor the car and it kicks down to 3rd (generally 1:1, no?), the DOHC car'* shorter differential ratio may carry the advantage.

Correct me if I'm wrong, folks

This is how small cars with small motors and higher powerbands are fast. Their characteristics allow them to take advantage of gearing - our pushrods are more content to torque themselves around town at lower revs. a Honda S2000 could have the off-the-line performance of a 3800 if the final drive was short enough but then you'd cruise 60mph at 999999999999rpm :P
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