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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TopLock
The other thing I have noticed is if the engine was warm, I shut it off and go about my business, and come back and start it still warm but coolant temps have dropped
This is expected and should be remotely proportional to how long you are away from it going about your business.

Originally Posted by TopLock
the first actual accel where I am getting up to 2000rpm, the 1-2 shift the revs surge right before the shift. Not a whole lot just a tiny noticeable surge only under that exact condition.
Sounds like a flare.

Is the transmission fluid full?

How many miles on the transmission fluid and filter?

Originally Posted by TopLock
I let my motor warm up from cold for like 2-3 minutes, idk if maybe an injector is leaking and causing that or maybe it is fuel pressure. I just really like sitting with an engine at idle that has no roughness to it
Could be a few things causing a rough idle and/or shift flares.

Also, what type of air filter is it?
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TopLock
if my fuel pressure is low or high wouldnt the trims reflect it?
Usually, unless the PCM is fighting some other issue(*) at the same time.
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:03 AM
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Fluid and filter are at 100k, fluid is full and still the normal color, slightest little bit of brown but I am doing that when I get the fluid and filter and pan gasket in on the 25th

The air filter is a cylinder type filter that sits in the filter housing, just oem.

For the coolant temps I am aware they drop, just was saying that when I turn the car back on with it only mildly warm, I get that shift hiccup on the first accel.
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TopLock
so do you think its good then? I work on german vehicles and this just stuck out to me, idk i have heard these big ohv chevy v8'* just run a bit rough, possibly internal secondary balance/ running lean on purpose (higher map afr) to meet emissions?
That'* a large generalization. I haven't heard this in general and haven't seen it on a properly running LS. I have a 2001 5.3 LS that is a distant relative of your 6.0 that has almost 320,000 miles on it and it is perfectly smooth. Biggest issue is some lifter noise, but still it is perfectly smooth at all speeds including idle.

For what it'* worth, all of the OHV Chevy V-8'* I've run across over the years, big or small, run pretty smoothly when they are stock, tuned well, and not fighting a plugged catalytic converter or air filter. I'm not saying excessively tuned beyond factory specs, just tuned to factory specs. I'd happily put a glass of wine on top of any of them. Would there be a slight ripple? Probably. Would it spill? No. Do I feel anything inside while they are idling? No.

Put in a cam with a lope, an aftermarket tune, or have a bad injector or other maladies, and they can run rough.
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TopLock
Fluid and filter are at 100k, fluid is full and still the normal color, slightest little bit of brown but I am doing that when I get the fluid and filter and pan gasket in on the 25th
Cool! This might help with the flare. Some of the 6-speeds had some issues with this, even when new.

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The air filter is a cylinder type filter that sits in the filter housing, just oem.
Okay good. I know that some are fans of oiled reusable filters like from K&N. I am not, and have seen many bad results from these filters, usually including gummed up sensors etc. Glad that isn't likely part of the problem here.

Originally Posted by TopLock
For the coolant temps I am aware they drop, just was saying that when I turn the car back on with it only mildly warm, I get that shift hiccup on the first accel.
Gotcha. Yeah, some of the 6-speeds do that a little, but the filter and fluid change might help with it, especially if the flare behavior goes away after it is completely warmed up.
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:23 AM
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Ya this is completely stock. Looking at live o2 data it seems pretty normal, b1s1 and b2s1 (both upstream) fluctuate rich to lean like they should, downstream both sit at 650/700 mV. I dont think its a cat. I just have 0 clue why my trims are fine but I have this little shake at idle. Its annoying. Literally some days it will run like a perfect motor at idle for a few seconds, then just a tiny disruption every couple seconds, other days its just like dang what is happening in there. RPM only fluctuates from 580-590 so not that much at all and I cant find any data in the scan tool that shows something off
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:24 AM
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ya its literally just on the first accel when its still warm but coolant (and trans fluid temps) are not at operating temp. Just the first 1-2
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:26 AM
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Also if it means anything, the ecm doesnt have any misfire'* detected, or any history misfires... so idk if chevy only "detects" a mis if its a dead mis or what
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 09:35 AM
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Do u think its weird that the throttle is only open like 3% at warm idle? I am used to seeing at least 6% on the german cars even with big motors.

I think this has to be related to ignition or a dirty sensor providing false data. Map sensor is reading 4.3psi at idle which is a little lower than expected and maf reads 6.3 at idle which is a little higher than I would expect

Sorry last question... is it normal on these v8'* for timing to be at 40 degrees when accelerating gently? And then 50 degrees when cruising?
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Old Feb 17, 2024 | 10:19 AM
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I mixed up something. It'* not IPW that correlates with displacement it'* air flow. A 6L engine will have a MAF reading of about 6 grams/sec at idle.
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