How about some Olds LSS questions?
06-21-2003, 11:48 AM
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The LSS, based on the "H" Eighty-Eight body, was and is a quiet, economical, comfortable daily driver. I put nearly 1200 miles on mine this week, and loved every one of them.
I am sorry that you dont enjoy yours as much as I do mine.
However, I should point out, that those 74-76 Delta'* were land yaughts which handled like tuna boats in high seas. The 80'* New Yorkers (fwd) were mostly K-car derived, luxury car wanna be'*.
I used to sell them occaisionally, and if you could over look the little 4cyl screaming away (turbo? oh no!!) ...and the cheap interior, shoddy construction and unreliable nature of the car....you might appreciate the cheap price you had paid for this treasure.
As for the Regal, I've ridden in that particular model...and unless it was Buick'* Limited or better yet, GS...they really were just basic family transportation. The only good thing about Buick'* version over the Olds...was that the Regals got the 3800 I believe, while the Cutlass had the 3100.
I really enjoy the seats in my LSS. They offer me good lateral and lumbar support...far better than any bench..thats for sure. I find the car to be quite pleasant at all speeds...and gives excellent fuel economy. Although Olds recommends 30psi for the tires...I run 35psi which aids handling I feel..and really doesnt detract from the ride quality. These GoodYears call for 44 cold.
If you dont enjoy your car...you could always ebay it...as there is always a good market for nice LSS'es.
The LSS, based on the "H" Eighty-Eight body, was and is a quiet, economical, comfortable daily driver. I put nearly 1200 miles on mine this week, and loved every one of them.
I am sorry that you dont enjoy yours as much as I do mine.
However, I should point out, that those 74-76 Delta'* were land yaughts which handled like tuna boats in high seas. The 80'* New Yorkers (fwd) were mostly K-car derived, luxury car wanna be'*.
I used to sell them occaisionally, and if you could over look the little 4cyl screaming away (turbo? oh no!!) ...and the cheap interior, shoddy construction and unreliable nature of the car....you might appreciate the cheap price you had paid for this treasure.
As for the Regal, I've ridden in that particular model...and unless it was Buick'* Limited or better yet, GS...they really were just basic family transportation. The only good thing about Buick'* version over the Olds...was that the Regals got the 3800 I believe, while the Cutlass had the 3100.
I really enjoy the seats in my LSS. They offer me good lateral and lumbar support...far better than any bench..thats for sure. I find the car to be quite pleasant at all speeds...and gives excellent fuel economy. Although Olds recommends 30psi for the tires...I run 35psi which aids handling I feel..and really doesnt detract from the ride quality. These GoodYears call for 44 cold.
If you dont enjoy your car...you could always ebay it...as there is always a good market for nice LSS'es.
I dont need to be told about 71- 76 B bodys I own 2. I know all about land yahts and love them. Our LSS is also a modern land yaht and we love it too - or did you miss where I said that ? My B bodys handle nearly as well as our FWD H bodys which we also have 2 of, so I dont need to be told what car an LSS came from I own the original year H body and not all that much changed chassis wise.
My Grandfathers 82 NewYorker is a throttle body 318 powered RWD car - sorry for you! It became the Fifth Avenue when the NewYorker was down sized and 4 cylinder powered. My uncle had a turboed 4 Imperial that they kept for my Aunts car while buying new Imperials for the main driver every 3 years until the last was a original LHS. The turboed Imperial had well over 200,000 so they did alright by that car. Our 89 NewYorker had the 3.0 V6 Mitsu motor and was a very luxurious,smooth riding, quite car that we/she drove for 4 years. The cheap plastic interior was right in line with the cheap plastic available in GM'*. The plush velour interior was just as sweet and enduring as the plush velour seats in the 86 LeSabre. Nothing wanna be about it it was and did exactly what we purchased it for. Once again sorry for you!
Im not talking Cadallics, Mercedes, Park Avenue, Lexus and certainly the LSS doesnt fall into that catagory either. Nor did the price tag. We feel it is another upgrade to "her" car history but its got alot of road and tire noise going on and that is that. The seat might fit a LARGE man with support but the sides are very loose on me at 185 lbs and I cant imagine how loose on the wife at 112. The 86 LeSabres pillow seat mold around you when you sit in them and the Regals 60/40'* are contoured like real buckets and form around you when you sit in them. The LSS seats are very comfortable, very firm which I like but have no side support for average size men. This is a long trait for domestic "bucket" seat cars. One size fits all so large people will still fit. The European manufactures made buckets to perform not "looks like bucket seats therefore they are". I'm not saying seats like in Vettes,Camaros and the likes were not better but most put in bucket seat versions of family cars offered little in performance which is most likely where multi adjustable bolstering seats came into play to eliminate the one size fits all problem. But alas our LSS does not have them so our backs slip from side to side.
Once again we love our LSS and it is a very rare car and will most likely never be sold and lastly never on e-bay - sorry!
ITS JUST GOT ALOT OF TIRE/ROAD NOISE
plus it might over heat anyday because it along with tens of other models of cars still on the road doesnt have a REAL grill
06-21-2003, 12:15 PM
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Oh yes, I rember that car..it was based on the Dodge Diplomat, hardly a paragon of enginering perfection.
Chrysler was teetering back in the early eighties because of quality issues...and guess what? Some 20 years later, they are once again teetering.
These cars you speak so well of, could always be bought much cheaper that the other competing brands, because they were seen as unreliable...and generally, of far lessor build quality by the market. I am not trying to pick a fight with you....but thats just the way things were.
When I was in the business, we sold New Yorkers....but only if we could buy them cheap. They simply werent as well built as a Regency, or Park Ave...and we could never ask the equivelent money for them....the market just wouldnt support it.
As far as your LSS not comparing well with the '91 Regal...if you like the Regal..all the power to you. If you think a split bench has more support to offer you than the LSS'* buckets...than again..all the power to you.
As for tire noise, I cant comment on what you say about your car...but mine is like a cathedral.
Again, I am very pleased with mine.
Oh yes, I rember that car..it was based on the Dodge Diplomat, hardly a paragon of enginering perfection.
Chrysler was teetering back in the early eighties because of quality issues...and guess what? Some 20 years later, they are once again teetering.
These cars you speak so well of, could always be bought much cheaper that the other competing brands, because they were seen as unreliable...and generally, of far lessor build quality by the market. I am not trying to pick a fight with you....but thats just the way things were.
When I was in the business, we sold New Yorkers....but only if we could buy them cheap. They simply werent as well built as a Regency, or Park Ave...and we could never ask the equivelent money for them....the market just wouldnt support it.
As far as your LSS not comparing well with the '91 Regal...if you like the Regal..all the power to you. If you think a split bench has more support to offer you than the LSS'* buckets...than again..all the power to you.
As for tire noise, I cant comment on what you say about your car...but mine is like a cathedral.
Again, I am very pleased with mine.
06-21-2003, 09:51 PM
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As said before, the LSS could have been a worthy model to continue. Had certain decisions been made about '97 or '98, Olds may have been a star performer over at the general.
I feel, that the design was a more realistic approach than the first generation Aurora with its various durability issues.
I think that had Olds offered the LSS strictly as a "hot" L67 model...with a better flowing exhaust with dual outlet like the SSEi, and perhaps inter-cooled it to make premium gas unnecessary..than it would have been more popular.
Another excellent thing I like about the LSS, is that although Olds, like on my Royale, calls for only 30 lbs psi for the tires, I've been running 33..soon to be 35...and it rides excellent. I should email the general...and scold them for selling this car down the river...when the design clearly has life in it.
I've been treating the front buckets with cleaners and conditoners. When I first bought it..I thought the leather was gray in color. But once I cleaned it, I soon discovered that the leather was a light beige. Its now very pliable...soft...and clean. Smells great. also.
As said before, the LSS could have been a worthy model to continue. Had certain decisions been made about '97 or '98, Olds may have been a star performer over at the general.
I feel, that the design was a more realistic approach than the first generation Aurora with its various durability issues.
I think that had Olds offered the LSS strictly as a "hot" L67 model...with a better flowing exhaust with dual outlet like the SSEi, and perhaps inter-cooled it to make premium gas unnecessary..than it would have been more popular.
Another excellent thing I like about the LSS, is that although Olds, like on my Royale, calls for only 30 lbs psi for the tires, I've been running 33..soon to be 35...and it rides excellent. I should email the general...and scold them for selling this car down the river...when the design clearly has life in it.
I've been treating the front buckets with cleaners and conditoners. When I first bought it..I thought the leather was gray in color. But once I cleaned it, I soon discovered that the leather was a light beige. Its now very pliable...soft...and clean. Smells great. also.
06-21-2003, 11:13 PM
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As far as how I stand on Chrysler vs Buick/Olds goes - the fact that I kept and restored the 86 LeSabre and didnt the 89 NYer should speak for itself. Grandpas car is another story but it is the smoothest and quietest car I have ever driven. Thats what a NewYorker was designed to be. These last RWD Mopars sold well and were still quite common just a few years ago and many previous owners seek out good used ones to replace a tired one. Much like fans of other great cars. I've always known that you got more car for the money if you bought a Chrysler. As far as the reliability problems you are refering to I dont know or have heard of in particular but I know aALL Domestic Brands have been under fire for these problems for decades and not longer only because they did not have the competition from the imports 30 years ago. Also - "because they were seen as" - very important point - SEEN AS. Is that like Found On Road Dead or any of the other tales. I frequent many BOP sites and know of ALL the problems had by BOP owners but hey were not talking about them are we ?
"hardly a paragon of enginering perfection." - and the 82 PA & Regency was ? Any domestic for that matter - "paragon of engineering" has a German sound too me. Or maybe F1 cars. The only "paragon of engineering" going on in the US would have been military or NASA or corporate engineering to build the cheapest car possible for less to achieve the highest profits. Sorry " but thats just the way things were."
"Chrysler was teetering back in the early eighties because of quality issues...and guess what? Some 20 years later, they are once again teetering." - and what has been going on at GM ? fortunantly they had the brut size and Chevy sales to survive - so far.
"These cars you speak so well of, could always be bought much cheaper that the other competing brands, because they were seen as unreliable...and generally, of far lessor build quality by the market. I am not trying to pick a fight with you....but thats just the way things were." Once again I always knew I could get more car for the money with a Mopar. Thats why we bought the 89 NYer it was much less than any 80'* PAs or 98'* and frankly they were very bland cars compared to the NYer. Thats also why we bought the LSS instead of a BMW,Mercedes,Acura or Lexus - more car for the money. That and the fact that I couldnt afford any of the previous mentioned or see a reason to afford them.As far as "cars I speak so well of" garbage, there are many and my favotites are Buicks and Oldsmobiles - OK !!!!!!! However I will not sit back and let someone say things about any car that I know are not true, even if its a brand or type or style I dont prefer.
The whole reason I mentioned any of this a few posts back is because you trashed the Aurora which is fine, I know little about them but at the same time I know the LSS or any domestic car for that matter just doesnt quite reach the expectations of the high class sports sedan buying folks. I dont like it and have been very annoyed with Domestic manufacturers for not acheiving that level of performance and technology(reliable technology not the US gidget/gadjet technology). I also know its not because of knowledge but on account of penny pinching CEO/WallStreet economics. Today they are paying the price, its now very hard to get almost anyone to give a Domestic a second look. Most are buying on account of patriotism or as you said about Chryslers " the cheap interior, shoddy construction and unreliable nature of the car....you might appreciate the cheap price you had paid for this treasure." Yep you can buy an Aurora, Bonneville, Park Avenue for less than a Lexus,BMW or Mercedes but not by much and many people apparently feel its not worth the savings. Once again sorry but thats what things have come to. I dont like it either.
Sorry JR and all others that have found me annoying on this topic but I will always get annoying when annoyed. To coin an old phrase " You got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything" . Its my nature.
"hardly a paragon of enginering perfection." - and the 82 PA & Regency was ? Any domestic for that matter - "paragon of engineering" has a German sound too me. Or maybe F1 cars. The only "paragon of engineering" going on in the US would have been military or NASA or corporate engineering to build the cheapest car possible for less to achieve the highest profits. Sorry " but thats just the way things were."
"Chrysler was teetering back in the early eighties because of quality issues...and guess what? Some 20 years later, they are once again teetering." - and what has been going on at GM ? fortunantly they had the brut size and Chevy sales to survive - so far.
"These cars you speak so well of, could always be bought much cheaper that the other competing brands, because they were seen as unreliable...and generally, of far lessor build quality by the market. I am not trying to pick a fight with you....but thats just the way things were." Once again I always knew I could get more car for the money with a Mopar. Thats why we bought the 89 NYer it was much less than any 80'* PAs or 98'* and frankly they were very bland cars compared to the NYer. Thats also why we bought the LSS instead of a BMW,Mercedes,Acura or Lexus - more car for the money. That and the fact that I couldnt afford any of the previous mentioned or see a reason to afford them.As far as "cars I speak so well of" garbage, there are many and my favotites are Buicks and Oldsmobiles - OK !!!!!!! However I will not sit back and let someone say things about any car that I know are not true, even if its a brand or type or style I dont prefer.
The whole reason I mentioned any of this a few posts back is because you trashed the Aurora which is fine, I know little about them but at the same time I know the LSS or any domestic car for that matter just doesnt quite reach the expectations of the high class sports sedan buying folks. I dont like it and have been very annoyed with Domestic manufacturers for not acheiving that level of performance and technology(reliable technology not the US gidget/gadjet technology). I also know its not because of knowledge but on account of penny pinching CEO/WallStreet economics. Today they are paying the price, its now very hard to get almost anyone to give a Domestic a second look. Most are buying on account of patriotism or as you said about Chryslers " the cheap interior, shoddy construction and unreliable nature of the car....you might appreciate the cheap price you had paid for this treasure." Yep you can buy an Aurora, Bonneville, Park Avenue for less than a Lexus,BMW or Mercedes but not by much and many people apparently feel its not worth the savings. Once again sorry but thats what things have come to. I dont like it either.
Sorry JR and all others that have found me annoying on this topic but I will always get annoying when annoyed. To coin an old phrase " You got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything" . Its my nature.
06-21-2003, 11:27 PM
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All I know is that if we wanted to sell Chryslers during the '80'*, we had to sell them for a lot less money relative to the NADA retail value. I never had that concern with the GM or Ford competing models.
All I know is that if we wanted to sell Chryslers during the '80'*, we had to sell them for a lot less money relative to the NADA retail value. I never had that concern with the GM or Ford competing models.
06-22-2003, 12:27 AM
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So whats that got to do with the two I owned being smooth, reliable, quite cars that were a great deal for the money and the LSS reaching the status of a BMW or Mercedes ?
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Hey steve, how'* it going? Haven't seen you on the Lesabre board in a while. 
anyway, I'm finding this discussion very.. interesting. I can see everybody'* points here and most of all they're keeping it civilized. Way to go! 
anyway, I'm finding this discussion very.. interesting. I can see everybody'* points here and most of all they're keeping it civilized. Way to go!
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Just a thought, but a while ago, I saw on the GM forums, a thread on how Olds could have been saved. Why dont we do that?
Then..perhaps we could distill down the best ideas...condense them into a plan of action...then email them to GM.
Would it work? Likely not...but it could be fun.
Just a thought, but a while ago, I saw on the GM forums, a thread on how Olds could have been saved. Why dont we do that?
Then..perhaps we could distill down the best ideas...condense them into a plan of action...then email them to GM.
Would it work? Likely not...but it could be fun.
06-22-2003, 12:38 PM
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Hey , Dan the Riv man :) I post around when I have something to add or subtract :lol: but you already know me well :wink:
Jr'*.3800 Im really not doing opinions. Everything I've written has been on cars I own and have driven. If I dont know anything or much about something Im the first to say it.
"lght1 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:14 am Post subject
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If you liked them, than I am happy for you."
I like all fine automobiles, but I currently drive Buicks & Oldsmobiles - OK
If you think Ive posted heavy on this topic you have not seen nothin'. When the announcement went down about Olds demise I got involved in many long posts about the topic and still posted much even as little as half a year ago. There was many people involved close to the Oldsmobile business. One was a life time Oldsmobile dedicated dealer who was also involved with many other aspects of Oldsmobiles such as rare restorations, and other committee stuff I dont remember enough about to state. I was sick from the whole thing and still am and always will be. It amounts to this - it is a unreversable decision, in big business you dont just liquidate and then just say - "zyc, just kinnin'" . I dont know the details but thats the way it is and have been explained to me by these people that know more about this kind of stuff than me. Maybe someday if GM gets its act together they will recreate a Toronado or a 442 but it will be in vain like all retro acts have been. The way I see it GM management trully wants to get down to Chevy/Pontiac/Cadallic and Caddy is not even going to survive. They are not selling well. Chevy now has the best V6 drivetrain for the cars (spelled Buick) so with that and some decent styling like the Monty and Impala have with the Buick derived drivetrain. Plus - the styling & performance casteration of Buick and deleting of Oldsmobile , whos going to buy Buicks ? Why buy a very base looking Regal GS when you can get an exciting Impala SS or GTP with the same drivetrain ? No offence Pontiac guys but why buy one of those picular looking LeSabres when you can buy a very fine looking Bonneville with the Buick derived drivetrain. Or soon I heard the upgraded Aurora engine. You tell me whats going on ? Oldsmobile was supposed to be cut partly as a way of downsizing the overall model count but they have already added new Chevy models or model versions. I beleive the overall long term goals are very obvious. I hope they prove me wrong but if they dont get it together and build cars that can perform with the imports they will steadly loose market percentage. We need cars that can go on the track and give the Audi A6 & A8 a run for its money but NOOOOOOO we get "fly by wire" instead of a stinking throttle cable. Thats thinkin' GM !!!!!! How about another unreliable TV screen dash while your at it. GIDGET?GADJET!!! - how about some real performance ?
Am I the only one that sees things this way ?
Jr'*.3800 Im really not doing opinions. Everything I've written has been on cars I own and have driven. If I dont know anything or much about something Im the first to say it.
"lght1 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:14 am Post subject
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If you liked them, than I am happy for you."
I like all fine automobiles, but I currently drive Buicks & Oldsmobiles - OK
If you think Ive posted heavy on this topic you have not seen nothin'. When the announcement went down about Olds demise I got involved in many long posts about the topic and still posted much even as little as half a year ago. There was many people involved close to the Oldsmobile business. One was a life time Oldsmobile dedicated dealer who was also involved with many other aspects of Oldsmobiles such as rare restorations, and other committee stuff I dont remember enough about to state. I was sick from the whole thing and still am and always will be. It amounts to this - it is a unreversable decision, in big business you dont just liquidate and then just say - "zyc, just kinnin'" . I dont know the details but thats the way it is and have been explained to me by these people that know more about this kind of stuff than me. Maybe someday if GM gets its act together they will recreate a Toronado or a 442 but it will be in vain like all retro acts have been. The way I see it GM management trully wants to get down to Chevy/Pontiac/Cadallic and Caddy is not even going to survive. They are not selling well. Chevy now has the best V6 drivetrain for the cars (spelled Buick) so with that and some decent styling like the Monty and Impala have with the Buick derived drivetrain. Plus - the styling & performance casteration of Buick and deleting of Oldsmobile , whos going to buy Buicks ? Why buy a very base looking Regal GS when you can get an exciting Impala SS or GTP with the same drivetrain ? No offence Pontiac guys but why buy one of those picular looking LeSabres when you can buy a very fine looking Bonneville with the Buick derived drivetrain. Or soon I heard the upgraded Aurora engine. You tell me whats going on ? Oldsmobile was supposed to be cut partly as a way of downsizing the overall model count but they have already added new Chevy models or model versions. I beleive the overall long term goals are very obvious. I hope they prove me wrong but if they dont get it together and build cars that can perform with the imports they will steadly loose market percentage. We need cars that can go on the track and give the Audi A6 & A8 a run for its money but NOOOOOOO we get "fly by wire" instead of a stinking throttle cable. Thats thinkin' GM !!!!!! How about another unreliable TV screen dash while your at it. GIDGET?GADJET!!! - how about some real performance ?
Am I the only one that sees things this way ?