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Old 06-13-2022, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990


The PCM will learn the incoming fuel continue password immediately upon receipt of a password message. Once a password message is received, and a password is learned, a learn procedure must be performed to change this password again. A PCM which has been previously installed in another vehicle will have learned the other vehicle'* fuel continue password, and will require a learn procedure after programming to learn the current vehicle'* password.

this is why I asked if you still have your original BCM and PCM, if so, please put them back in. If you do NOT have them, you will need dealer level scan tool and / or programming to override the original cars they came from. If you bought NEW parts(not sure if available anymore even, but its possible?) then you may just need to do a Passkey long relearn but I doubt you got new new modules
I have the original PCM and the BCM is the same one that’* been in there. The new PCM was programmed to my vin number and I’ve put the original back in before with the same results.
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Originally Posted by RedCloud657
I have the original PCM and the BCM is the same one that’* been in there. The new PCM was programmed to my vin number and I’ve put the original back in before with the same results.
so they are in there? Then you should have to do the immobilizer re-learn but after that it should "should" be back to normal conditions
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
so they are in there? Then you should have to do the immobilizer re-learn but after that it should "should" be back to normal conditions
Would you mind explaining the immobilizer relearn? Is that similar the the anti theft relearn?
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Originally Posted by RedCloud657
Would you mind explaining the immobilizer relearn? Is that similar the the anti theft relearn?
I dont have the same service data pulled up, but if its either passkey 3 And not passkey 3+ OR if they never changed the procedure, here:

scratch that. your PCM is the heavy hitter in this year and not the RCLDR or whatever(The keyless entry thingy) like when passkey 3 was new. so if you have a HP tuners,
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without getting into the service data, google has this which seems to be close at least to what it was in the old days, just a Message on screen instead of a Telltale Security Relearn
  1. With a master PASS-Key III key, turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Observe the STARTING DISABLED DUE TO THEFT message on the driver information center (DIC), after approximately 10 minutes the STARTING DISABLED DUE TO THEFT message on the DIC will turn off.
  3. Turn OFF the ignition, and wait 5 seconds .
  4. Repeat steps 1-3 two more times for a total of 3 cycles or 30 minutes .
  5. With a master PASS-Key III key, start the vehicle. The vehicle has now learned the key transponder information and the PCM has now learned the fuel continue password. IMPORTANT: The vehicle learns the key transponder information and/or passwords on the ignition switch transition from OFF to CRANK. You must turn the ignition OFF before attempting to start the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
I dont have the same service data pulled up, but if its either passkey 3 And not passkey 3+ OR if they never changed the procedure, here:

scratch that. your PCM is the heavy hitter in this year and not the RCLDR or whatever(The keyless entry thingy) like when passkey 3 was new. so if you have a HP tuners,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74AGNqY7Mm8
But

without getting into the service data, google has this which seems to be close at least to what it was in the old days, just a Message on screen instead of a Telltale Security Relearn
  1. With a master PASS-Key III key, turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Observe the STARTING DISABLED DUE TO THEFT message on the driver information center (DIC), after approximately 10 minutes the STARTING DISABLED DUE TO THEFT message on the DIC will turn off.
  3. Turn OFF the ignition, and wait 5 seconds .
  4. Repeat steps 1-3 two more times for a total of 3 cycles or 30 minutes .
  5. With a master PASS-Key III key, start the vehicle. The vehicle has now learned the key transponder information and the PCM has now learned the fuel continue password. IMPORTANT: The vehicle learns the key transponder information and/or passwords on the ignition switch transition from OFF to CRANK. You must turn the ignition OFF before attempting to start the vehicle.
My car has the PASS Key 3 and I don’t have any HP Tuners unfortunately.
So that is exactly the same as the anti theft relearn procedure I’ve already attempted. The thing is that I never get that message (starting disabled) unless I switch out the BCM for a different one or if I have a door key in the ignition. And when ever that message does come up the car won’t even crank over.
I think I’m having an internal issue inside the BCM.
I really appreciate you taking the time to look all that up though.
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Originally Posted by RedCloud657
My car has the PASS Key 3 and I don’t have any HP Tuners unfortunately.
So that is exactly the same as the anti theft relearn procedure I’ve already attempted. The thing is that I never get that message (starting disabled) unless I switch out the BCM for a different one or if I have a door key in the ignition. And when ever that message does come up the car won’t even crank over.
I think I’m having an internal issue inside the BCM.
I really appreciate you taking the time to look all that up though.
door key? The car has 1 key and possibly a valet key if you have content theft deterrent

also this is interesting then. You’re now dealing with a much easier to swalllow problem. At this moment in time, what would happen if you removed battery for 10 min then hooked it up and tried to start ? What codes? Any fuel pump sound? Spark?
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
door key? The car has 1 key and possibly a valet key if you have content theft deterrent

also this is interesting then. You’re now dealing with a much easier to swalllow problem. At this moment in time, what would happen if you removed battery for 10 min then hooked it up and tried to start ? What codes? Any fuel pump sound? Spark?
For this car the ignition key works for both the door and the ignition lock cylinder so I copied the key for an extra ’door key’
Everything remains the same when I unhook the battery. I still have to use a toggle switch for the fuel pump relay to start the car but it starts and runs. Some slight stutter due to the fuel pump I think. No codes show up
One thing I noticed is that I can barely hear the fuel pump now but it still puts out 60 psi. Before I could really hear it. It might be time for a new one but I wanted to solve the current problem before that.
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Originally Posted by RedCloud657
For this car the ignition key works for both the door and the ignition lock cylinder so I copied the key for an extra ’door key’
Everything remains the same when I unhook the battery. I still have to use a toggle switch for the fuel pump relay to start the car but it starts and runs. Some slight stutter due to the fuel pump I think. No codes show up
One thing I noticed is that I can barely hear the fuel pump now but it still puts out 60 psi. Before I could really hear it. It might be time for a new one but I wanted to solve the current problem before that.
Why are you using a toggle on the relay? What did you do to the wiring to do this? Can you show pics? Ive asked for you to show pics a few times now..
but also, whats your VIN? I can look and see if there are any BCM or PCM updates needed
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Originally Posted by OldsManiac1990
Why are you using a toggle on the relay? What did you do to the wiring to do this? Can you show pics? Ive asked for you to show pics a few times now..
but also, whats your VIN? I can look and see if there are any BCM or PCM updates needed
The PCM isn’t sending power to the fuel pump relay so I’m using a toggle switch that is inserted into pins 30 and 87 to give power straight the the fuel pump. Sorry I haven’t shown pictures, I’ll do that when I’m around the car again. VIN 2G4WC582471146769
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Just a quick thing, did you replace balancer or put the OE back on? if you did that, did you disturb the reluctor ring on the outside edge by chance


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