Chrysler 300 much more expensive then thought
 

I went to my local Chyrsler dealer just to see what I missed by not getting the 300c. I must admit that chrysler has done a very good job and even though I love my car the chrysler is much more luxury while GXP is pure sports.

Anyway they wanted $39,000 for a 3.5 awd 300 and $40,000 for a 300c 5.7 so its not that much of a deal. Did they raise prices for 2005?

I think they raised prices as we could have bought the 300C rwd for the same net as the GXP, with my supplier discounts...

I think even the GXP is way overpriced for what it is. In many ways, it's a step back from previous Bonneville models.

You bet it is! Especially when GM once ruled supreme in resale, unfortunately that "train" left the station... Honda & Toyota rule now in overall resale.

Just the simple things that the Bonneville was KNOWN for. Comparing seats, they go steadily downhill with every generation. 92-99 seats were the best seats on the market, bar none. The GXP I drove was seriously lacking. I'd be getting some 99 seats re-covered if I had a GXP. I was sliding all over that seat.

Forgive the topic sway, the 87-91 Bonneville's had better seats than the 92-99, IMO, this GXP's is great for me, I'm 6 foot 3 and I can fit in it! I had a 1994 SSEi new and the seats were difficult for me as the travel wasn't far enough back, so I bought an Eldorado instead in 1995 as the seats in that could accomodate me!

the 3c hemi is MUCH faster than any stock ssei... heck, the new srt8 runs the 1/4 a tick quicker than an ls2 goat and is only another tick slower than the sts-v: for an as tested price of roughly 43,500. ill have one in 30 years (when i can finally afford it)

Yeah the hemi is quick but it should be for the size. 300c is a brand new design while the GXP is some years older. Just too many 300c around with chromes and tints they all look alike but the stand out. No one person takes a double take at a GXP unless they are a pontiac person in the know.

Btw. why didnt GXPs get the SSEi headrests?

Good Question . The concept car did have SSEi Headrests and floormats. But in any case, it's somewhat unfair to compare the GXP and the 300c. The latter is a brand-new car on a rear-drive platform versus a Bonneville that's been out since 2000 based on a front-drive structure. In 2000, the ONLY midsize-fullsize sedans with more than 200 horsepower that wasn't from Europe was the 300M, the Bonneville and the Grand Prix. And what did Chrysler have in its powertrain stack? A pretty heavy 300M with a putrid 3.5L 250 v6 ! So don't get so down on the Bonnie. I still think the GXP is still a better-than-average car, given what GM had to work with. :roll:

Chryslers 3.5 v6 has guts

The 300 starts below 25k with a 2.7, the 3.5 should be just above 25k..

300C (Hemi) starts @ 30k. (2wd) ANY 300 over 40k is dealer markup, and a fucking joke.

The GXP and 300 can still be compared. Both are large cars. around the same price (300c v8 cheaper then GXP at some levels...)

LMAO...come on, the 300 has a 2.7 option....oh man...

The only 300 that can compare to the GXP is the much bigger V8 Hemi version...big deal... 50's design with a 60's engine...

Anyone know what the weight of that 300 is anyway?

Sorry but I cannot stand the styling of the new 300 :? I'd take the GXP over a 300C in a hot second, it flies under the radar since its production numbers are way less then the 300's, its progressive in its design and its aggresive without being flamboyant. Iif you 3800 heads could for one second look past the V6s you have, you may find the 4.6L V8 Northstar is a great engine with enough torque and horsepower to hold its own.

No Way!
 

Sorry, I love the Bonne, but brand new more people will choose the 300C over the GXP due to more interior space, better interior layout (color, design) more power and comparable price if not cheaper. Oh yeah, 5spd auto with more quickness. I'm a Pontiac man. Thats why I wouldn't go HEMI!

Yep. I've driven a Caddy with the 4.6 and it was much more powerful than our 00' SSEi. Only reason the SSEi's are often faster is because they'r emodded. You can't compared Moddified engines with stock engines and say that the modded engine is better because it has more power since it's moddified. We're talking stock here the V8 in the GXP IS better than the 3800 by far. It's only lacking in the fuel economy aspect. :?

Actually most car engines could be considered HEMIs including ours. Marketing hype

mainly for fleet cars and rentals. maybe for broke brothas as well

I know I hate all over your 300C, but thats a good point !

True, considering why it was called a Hemi in the first place. These new "Hemi's" shouldnt even have that name. The 300 is piece of redesigned Euro-trash. Give an American car American styling, dont copy the Brits and Krauts.

I don't like the 300/Charger/Magnum but it's certainly not a 50's/60s engine. They do perform great too. I can't argue that. Go read some articles on it before you all trash it please. The name is only similarity. IMO the Northstar is great, but needs a higher redline/more power to be competitive. Thank god it finally went to RWD. :roll:

Hot Rod has an indepth article of the LS1 (most LSx too) engines, down to casting numbers, and a big feature on the 4.4L SC Northstar this month. They also had a great one abot the magnum/Hemi a year or so ago, and the 5.4L Ford (mostly the blown one) a few months ago. All are great reads, and give more sources for info.

Gayest thing ever- a base v6 300c with 22'' rims. Keep in mind also that the 3800 and Northstar are very reliable engines. Anyone know how that dispacement-on-demand works after 45,000 miles? Good luck paying for those Mercedes parts after the 36,000 mile warranty expires. :lol:

Ask yourself this, who's gonna have GXP bumpers in 5 years? Think it'll be cheaper then a 300 bumper?

You mean parts in general? Yes, years down the road GXP specific parts will be hard to come by.

Yup jwikoff99. 300's are selling like hot cakes, so there will be plenty of parts for them.

But no, not eveyone needs 350 HP in theirs either. How many moms driving them need that? The Hemi is there for the performance crowd who wants a big muscle car. The fact they give you those engine choices all with AWD or RWD is amazing. :roll:

Can you get AWD Hemi?

Yup, after playing around on their site a Hemi AWD starts around 35k.

Hemi RWD starts around 34k.

2.7 = 190 HP
3.5= 250 HP
5.7 = 340 HP.

6.1 = 425 :shock: (for 43 g's)

While it is agood point about the GXP parts , I wasn't talking about the body parts. The engine mechanicals for the Northstar are tried and tested, while the Hemi is an all-new engine-without a reliability record. You know how much it is for German engine parts? If you think the Hemi is a tougher engine, keep in mind the Northstar is one of the few engine STILL on the market that can run without coolant . Just say that about your 300c.

I know its a little off-topic, but what do ya'll think of the other Hemi car, the Dodge " :bsflag: Charger"
(Otherwise known as the Third-generation Intrepid)

It's not my 300c, i'm looking at this objectively not subjectively. The Hemi is an American V8, that has a computer that deactivates some cyls. It's a very easy process, and GM has it out now too.

an LS2 owns a hemi any day. They wanna bust out the 6.1, hell, Chevy how has a 7.0!
I think those engines will be reliable down the road. One thing they can do that a N* cannot is run on regular fuel.
I dont think you can compare a 4.6L Northstar to a 5.7L Hemi engine. Of course the HEMI will make more power, it has .9L more space to work with! If you want to compare the HEMI to anything, compare it to the LS1 or LS2.

FYI GXP N* runs fine on regular 87. Owners manual says 87 is fine as well but to use 91 for max performance but mine is performing fine on 87.

I like the GXP's, but for the price i wouldnt get it or a 300, I would get a GTO. I looked it up on Pontiacs website before, there isnt much of a difference in price.

you can't compare the gto with to the gxp or the 300 for that matter. The gto will get you fom stop light to stoplight quicker but in snow the gxp will get you home. The goat may make it to a Holiday Inn. The gxp has 18 cu. ft of trunk space the gto 9ft The gxp is much
larger on the inside. THey are much different cars. Both are very nice rides. The gto is
much more of a pure muscle car;and with the limatations that go with it. The Bonneville
gxp is a large fwd touring sedan . It's a shame more people flock to that new butt ugly
Avolan instead of the sharp clean lines of thr Bonny. The Gxp will be my next car very soon when the rebates hit 5 grand again. Oh, and about the 300; sure the hemi is nice
but will that DOD still be working in say 3 years. And say what you want about traction control in a RWD car ; FWD is sooo much better in bad weather. And that cheese-grater
front end on the 300; how could any one think that looks better than the clean linnes
and sexy shape of the gxp is beyond me!;

The avalon is a great car, i've liked it when i was in it, but the front isn't working for me. Im sure a redesign will be along in a few years. But it is differen't..

RWD in snow? That's all people did till the 80's and 90's.... All BMW are RWD or AWD, they don't die in winter, IMO TC and a stability control on RWD will beat a FWD with nothing.

[quote=. The Gxp will be my next car very soon when the rebates hit 5 grand again. Oh, and about the 300; sure the hemi is nice
but will that DOD still be working in say 3 years. And say what you want about traction control in a RWD car ; FWD is sooo much better in bad weather. And that cheese-grater
front end on the 300; how could any one think that looks better than the clean linnes
and sexy shape of the gxp is beyond me!;[/quote]

Wait for the $5,000 rebates again and the Bonneville GXP may not be around by then. Rebate no good for used GXPs.

People keep ripping on the 300c DOD saying will it still be working in 3 years etc. Hey its not the 70s and 80s anymore. Things dont have "Solid State" printed on them anymore and btw 300 comes in AWD so soo much for your bad weather concern.

I onw a 2005 GXP and I love it.

All I am trying to say is dont crap on other good cars for no reason. All cars have their advantages. BTW the GTO didnt seem that much faster than my GXP and the 300C was faster than the GTO.

my 2 cents

I just compared price! Not the actual features. BTW-I live in Florida. I havent seen snow in my life. I dont have to worry about that down here.

footballplayer7474, You are lucky not to have to deal with crappy snow but then again you had some bad hurricanes some time back.

how was the 400hp GTO slower than the 340hp 300C? And the GTO has a manual shifter and is ALOT lighter.

Drive both and you tell me why the GTO is slower macho_mike21.

The GTO has much better suspension, tires, power deilver, and transmissions.

05's Run low 13's maybe even high 12's in the quarter. They flat out haul. The GXP is 125HP short, FWD, and runs high 14's maybe even 15's.

Can anyone expalin why a 300C would be faster than a GTO? I don't get it.