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Old 10-18-2004, 03:53 PM   #1
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What is the difference between the regular pioneer cd players and the premier versions? I like the look of the premiers better, and the prices are similar per model. I am looking at DEH-P760MP on ebay. The Premier DEH-P7600MP seems to have similar features. Which one is better?
ALSO these head units say that they are compatable with steering wheel controls, when you add an external adaptor, whats the deal with this? doesnt EVERY head unit hook up to wheel controls with the adaptor?

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After some research, these are the head units that I am looking at in my price range (on ebay)

Sony CDX-M8800 http://sm.crutchfield.com/*-9vjCVADG...700&I=158M8800

Panasonic CQ-C8300U http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...noreRedirect=1

Pioneer DEH-P760 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...891888,00.html

Pioneer Premier DEH-P760MPhttp://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...496597,00.html

Clarion DXZ745MP http://www.clarion.com/usa/product/i...oduct=DXZ745MP

What are your opinions on these units? Any other suggestions are welcome, but I want to stay under $200 US on ebay.
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the only difference between the Pioneer and the Premier version is that the Premier version has higher out-put RCA pre-outs. I think that the Pioneer headunits have 4.5v and the Premier has 6.5v pre-outs

the premire is better IMO

you will need the SWIX-pac adaptor to use the steering wheel controls for your car
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Out of that list the Premier or the Clarion. I'd prob go with the Premier
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In addition to the higher voltage pre-outs; the Preimer line has a longer warranty. The catch is you have to have the equipment installed by an "authorized" Pioneer Premier dealer. I purchased a Pioneer Premier headunit off eBay (factory refurbished) and I got an extended warranty. Well, about 10 months into owning it the motorized face plate stopped working. I ended up getting my money back (AFTER 10 months!!) from the warranty company and I purchased a new Pioneer Premier from a local authorized Premier dealer. The install was great and I can rest a little easier knowing the warranty is 2 years instead of one.

I like my Premier.
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and preier'* cost more.
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Ive been in the market for the pioneer deh-7600mp for a little while and i was looking at the pioneer premier deh-760mp at first and heres what i came up with...

First off there is no difference in the preamp output voltage whatsoever, theyre both 2v output, which i think is terribly low for a higher model...

This is what the pioneer premier deh-760mp has compared to the pioneer deh-7600m: no automatic sound levelizer, has arctic ocean screen saver instead of lost shipwreck screen saver, steering wheel remote instead of card, 2 year warranty instead of 1, comes with premier service installation, the 760mp is a shiny silver color and the 7600mp is a charcoal color, and price isnt all that different, the 760mp is $20 more than the 7600mp.



*Pioneer DEH-P7600MP Specifications* M.*.R.P. $330.00
Supertuner
Supertuner - Supertuner IIID
24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets - yes
BSM (Best Stations Memory) - yes
CD Player
1-bit D/A Converter 16-Bit
CD-R/CD-RW Compatible - yes
AGC (Automatic Gain Control) - yes
Disc Title Memory - yes
CD Text CD Text
BMX Digital Enhancement - yes
MP3 Playback Compatibility
Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV
File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet
Max Directory 8
Max. Folder # 253
Max File # per Folder 99
Max File # per Disc 65,535
Multisession Disc Play - yes
Random Play Folder/Disc
Repeat Play File/Folder
MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR
WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9
WMA Bit Rate 48~192kbps, VBR, Lossless
File Name 64 bytes
Folder Name 64 bytes
ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.0; WMA
Tag Length 30 bytes
Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment
Tag Display On/Off -yes
List Search Folder
IP-Bus System Expandability
IP-Bus System Control - yes
XM Radio Ready - yes
iPod Adapter Ready - yes
Multi-CD Control - yes
DVD Control - yes
TV Tuner Control - yes
Auxiliary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required
External Unit Control 2
Display Features
Display Type Organic EL (OEL)
Dot Matrix OEL Size 128x32 + 24x32 (Blue + White)
Soft Key Operation Mode - yes
Screensaver Movies 2 (Star Racer, Lost Shipwreck)
Background Animations 4
Level Indicators 2
Flap Face Flap Face
Audio Features
Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4
Equalizer EEQ (3-band Parametric)
Equalizer Presets 5
User Equalizer Settings 2
Sound Focus EQ - yes
EQ-EX - yes
Loudness 3 Mode
Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) - yes
Electronic Balance/Fader - yes
Source Level Adjuster (SLA) - yes
Crossover Network Two-Way Crossover
High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/80/125Hz, -12dB/Oct.
Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/80/125Hz, -18dB/Oct., +/-12dB
RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub or Non-Fading)
Preout Voltage & Impedance 2V, 100 Ohm
General Features
Rotary Volume Control Pop-Up
Remote Control Card
Wired Remote Input - yes
Cellular Mute - yes
Detachable Face Security - yes
Face Case (Included) - yes
Warranty 1 Year



*Pioneer Premier DEH-P760MP Specifications* M.*.R.P. $350.00
Supertuner
Supertuner - Supertuner IIID
24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets - yes
BSM (Best Stations Memory) - yes
CD Player
1-bit D/A Converter 16-Bit
CD-R/CD-RW Compatible - yes
AGC (Automatic Gain Control) - yes
Disc Title Memory - yes
CD Text CD Text
BMX Digital Enhancement - yes
MP3 Playback Compatibility
Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV
File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet
Max Directory 8
Max File # per Folder 99
Max. Folder # 253
Max File # per Disc 65,535
Multisession Disc Play - yes
Random Play Folder/Disc
Repeat Play File/Folder
MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR
WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9
WMA Bit Rate 48~192kbps, VBR, Lossless
File Name 64 bytes
Folder Name 64 bytes
ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.0; WMA
Tag Length 30 bytes
Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment
Tag Display On/Off -yes
List Search Folder
IP-Bus System Expandability
IP-Bus System Control - yes
XM Radio Ready - yes
iPod Adapter Ready - yes
Multi-CD Control - yes
DVD Control - yes
TV Tuner Control - yes
Auxiliary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required
External Unit Control 2
Display Features
Display Type Organic EL (OEL)
Dot Matrix OEL Size 128x32 + 24x32 (Blue + White)
Soft Key Operation Mode - yes
Screensaver Movies 2 (Star Racer, Arctic Ocean)
Background Animations 4
Level Indicators 2
Flap Face Flap Face
Audio Features
Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4
Equalizer EEQ (3-band Parametric)
Equalizer Presets 5
User Equalizer Settings 2
Sound Focus EQ - yes
EQ-EX - yes
Loudness 3 Mode
Electronic Balance/Fader - yes
Source Level Adjuster (SLA) - yes
Crossover Network Two-Way Crossover
High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/80/125Hz, -12dB/Oct.
Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/80/125Hz, -18dB/Oct., +/-12dB
RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub or Non-Fading)
Preout Voltage & Impedance 2V, 100 Ohm
General Features
Rotary Volume Control Pop-Up
Remote Control Steering Wheel
Wired Remote Input - yes
Cellular Mute - yes
Detachable Face Security - yes
Face Case (Included) - yes
Warranty 2 Year
Premier
Premier Service Installation - yes
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*whew* that took a little bit to do, enjoy!
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Ive been in the market for the pioneer deh-7600mp for a little while and i was looking at the pioneer premier deh-760mp at first and heres what i came up with...

First off there is no difference in the preamp output voltage whatsoever, theyre both 2v output, which i think is terribly low for a higher model...

This is what the pioneer premier deh-760mp has compared to the pioneer deh-7600m: no automatic sound levelizer, has arctic ocean screen saver instead of lost shipwreck screen saver, steering wheel remote instead of card, 2 year warranty instead of 1, comes with premier service installation, the 760mp is a shiny silver color and the 7600mp is a charcoal color, and price isnt all that different, the 760mp is $20 more than the 7600mp.



*Pioneer DEH-P7600MP Specifications* M.*.R.P. $330.00
Supertuner
Supertuner - Supertuner IIID
24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets - yes
BSM (Best Stations Memory) - yes
CD Player
1-bit D/A Converter 16-Bit
CD-R/CD-RW Compatible - yes
AGC (Automatic Gain Control) - yes
Disc Title Memory - yes
CD Text CD Text
BMX Digital Enhancement - yes
MP3 Playback Compatibility
Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV
File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet
Max Directory 8
Max. Folder # 253
Max File # per Folder 99
Max File # per Disc 65,535
Multisession Disc Play - yes
Random Play Folder/Disc
Repeat Play File/Folder
MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR
WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9
WMA Bit Rate 48~192kbps, VBR, Lossless
File Name 64 bytes
Folder Name 64 bytes
ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.0; WMA
Tag Length 30 bytes
Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment
Tag Display On/Off -yes
List Search Folder
IP-Bus System Expandability
IP-Bus System Control - yes
XM Radio Ready - yes
iPod Adapter Ready - yes
Multi-CD Control - yes
DVD Control - yes
TV Tuner Control - yes
Auxiliary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required
External Unit Control 2
Display Features
Display Type Organic EL (OEL)
Dot Matrix OEL Size 128x32 + 24x32 (Blue + White)
Soft Key Operation Mode - yes
Screensaver Movies 2 (Star Racer, Lost Shipwreck)
Background Animations 4
Level Indicators 2
Flap Face Flap Face
Audio Features
Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4
Equalizer EEQ (3-band Parametric)
Equalizer Presets 5
User Equalizer Settings 2
Sound Focus EQ - yes
EQ-EX - yes
Loudness 3 Mode
Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) - yes
Electronic Balance/Fader - yes
Source Level Adjuster (SLA) - yes
Crossover Network Two-Way Crossover
High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/80/125Hz, -12dB/Oct.
Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/80/125Hz, -18dB/Oct., +/-12dB
RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub or Non-Fading)
Preout Voltage & Impedance 2V, 100 Ohm
General Features
Rotary Volume Control Pop-Up
Remote Control Card
Wired Remote Input - yes
Cellular Mute - yes
Detachable Face Security - yes
Face Case (Included) - yes
Warranty 1 Year



*Pioneer Premier DEH-P760MP Specifications* M.*.R.P. $350.00
Supertuner
Supertuner - Supertuner IIID
24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets - yes
BSM (Best Stations Memory) - yes
CD Player
1-bit D/A Converter 16-Bit
CD-R/CD-RW Compatible - yes
AGC (Automatic Gain Control) - yes
Disc Title Memory - yes
CD Text CD Text
BMX Digital Enhancement - yes
MP3 Playback Compatibility
Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV
File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet
Max Directory 8
Max File # per Folder 99
Max. Folder # 253
Max File # per Disc 65,535
Multisession Disc Play - yes
Random Play Folder/Disc
Repeat Play File/Folder
MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR
WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9
WMA Bit Rate 48~192kbps, VBR, Lossless
File Name 64 bytes
Folder Name 64 bytes
ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.0; WMA
Tag Length 30 bytes
Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment
Tag Display On/Off -yes
List Search Folder
IP-Bus System Expandability
IP-Bus System Control - yes
XM Radio Ready - yes
iPod Adapter Ready - yes
Multi-CD Control - yes
DVD Control - yes
TV Tuner Control - yes
Auxiliary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required
External Unit Control 2
Display Features
Display Type Organic EL (OEL)
Dot Matrix OEL Size 128x32 + 24x32 (Blue + White)
Soft Key Operation Mode - yes
Screensaver Movies 2 (Star Racer, Arctic Ocean)
Background Animations 4
Level Indicators 2
Flap Face Flap Face
Audio Features
Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4
Equalizer EEQ (3-band Parametric)
Equalizer Presets 5
User Equalizer Settings 2
Sound Focus EQ - yes
EQ-EX - yes
Loudness 3 Mode
Electronic Balance/Fader - yes
Source Level Adjuster (SLA) - yes
Crossover Network Two-Way Crossover
High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/80/125Hz, -12dB/Oct.
Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/80/125Hz, -18dB/Oct., +/-12dB
RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub or Non-Fading)
Preout Voltage & Impedance 2V, 100 Ohm
General Features
Rotary Volume Control Pop-Up
Remote Control Steering Wheel
Wired Remote Input - yes
Cellular Mute - yes
Detachable Face Security - yes
Face Case (Included) - yes
Warranty 2 Year
Premier
Premier Service Installation - yes
The joy of looking at the dolphins, races cars and other things on the display screen and a 62 volume limiter............PRICELESS!!! Nothing will compare to the sound of a Pioneer head unit














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Personally i'd take clarion with it'* sound quality over pioneer with dolphins everytime... But that'* just me.

Will the premier be nicer? a little bit, probably not noticable, but it is better. And it'* not the plain jane pioneer that everyone and their dog has.
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Will the premier be nicer? a little bit, probably not noticable, but it is better. And it'* not the plain jane pioneer that everyone and their dog has.
Thats kind of the way I am looking at it. If i can buy it at future shop or crappy tire i dont want it in my car. Theres nothing unique about buyng the same garbage as everyone else. The 2V pre outs kinda scare me. If the deck I buy has 2V pre outs would I be better off using a line converter and hook the speaker outputs on the deck into the rca inputs on the amp?
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