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Old 02-14-2003, 04:38 PM   #1
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Does anyone know if there are any websites on how to install keyless entry systems?
My wife is just determined to have this on her 85.I got a kit but the instructions are very poor and this company doesnt have a website or tech support(EL Cheapo)
I was assuming most of these kits use the same basic set ups?At least I do have a service manual
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Does anyone know if there are any websites on how to install keyless entry systems?
I've been installing BulldogSecurity systems, and their website allows you to download any of their installation manuals for free. Main website is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com and the installation manual download list is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/install.htm. Their kits are sold at places like Wal-Mart and Meijer. (In our area, Meijer has a much better selection, as well as extras like the factory security bypass module and spare keyring transmitters.)

They do have standalone keyless entry kits (i.e. they do nothing but let you into the car), although realistically you're more likely to find the feature as part of either an alarm system or a remote starter. I have not seen the plain keyless-entry kit ever being sold, in actual fact, although you can probably order them over the Internet somehow.

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My wife is just determined to have this on her 85. I got a kit but the instructions are very poor and this company doesnt have a website or tech support(EL Cheapo)?
Does her car have power locks already? If so, it should be an easy addition to the wiring; if not, you're looking at a fair amount of in-door surgery to add the actuators as well as the wiring.

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I was assuming most of these kits use the same basic set ups?
Pretty much. Depending on the design, the transmitter usually closes one of two relays (lock or unlock) which are wired in parallel with the door lon website is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com and the installation manual download list is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/install.htm. Their kits are sold at places like Wal-Mart and Meijer. (In our area, Meijer has a much better selection, as well as extras like the factory security bypass module and spare keyring transmitters.)

They do have standalone keyless entry kits (i.e. they do nothing but let you into the car), although realistically you're more likely to find the feature as part of either an alarm system or a remote starter. I have not seen the plain keyless-entry kit ever being sold, in actual fact, although you can probably order them over the Internet somehow.

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My wife is just determined to have this on her 85. I got a kit but the instructions are very poor and this company doesnt have a website or tech support(EL Cheapo)?
Does her car have power locks already? If so, it should be an easy addition to the wiring; if not, you're looking at a fair amount of in-door surgery to add the actuators as well as the wiring.

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I was assuming most of these kits use the same basic set ups?
Pretty much. Depending on the design, the transmitter usually closes one of two relays (lock or unlock) which are wired in parallel with the door lock switch. It'* pretty much a no-brainer. The biggest complication is if the vehicle has an security system, which usually means that there'* an extra wire on the door lock which must be grounded prior to unlocking the door. The keyless entry controller usually takes care of that.
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Main website is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com and the installation manual download list is at http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/install.htm.
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Yes,it has factory door locks,It has 2 large red wires at the ign. switch harness
For the constant 12 volts,would both of these be hooked to the keyless system?
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Yes,it has factory door locks,It has 2 large red wires at the ign. switch harness
For the constant 12 volts,would both of these be hooked to the keyless system?
I think for the keyless entry, you'd only be tapping into one of the two red wires, since that connection is what provides power to the keyless entry controller (i.e. the aftermarket box you're putting in, its wireless receiver, etc.). If you've got something more specific that you're looking at or asking about, I think I need a little more information here.

The controllers can actuate the car'* power locks in one of several basic ways:

1) Using relays to bypass the door switch, by shorting the door switch power input wire direct to either the Lock or Unlock output wires, as if you were pushing the door switch button yourself

2) Injecting its own power into either the Lock or Unlock output wires to actuate the locks. In this setup, the controller would be using power from the large red wires as a source for this.

3) Using relays to _ground_ either the Lock or Unlock wires at the door switch, for cars which use this type of circuit, which I don't think includes Bonnevilles. (There is a security system wire which may need to be grounded, but that'* a different subject.)
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Success.....almost
I did a trial hookup and everything works
Only problem is that I can only get 1 transmitter to work.I have 3 more and cant get any of these to work.I did the same thing for these that I did for the first.Is there something different that you have to do for the other transmitters like unhook the battery and start over or something like that?

One more t5hing..Where is the best place to mount the module?It is just a keyless entyr ,not an alarm
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Success.....almost
I did a trial hookup and everything works

Only problem is that I can only get 1 transmitter to work.I have 3 more and can't get any of these to work.I did the same thing for these that I did for the first. Is there something different that you have to do for the other transmitters like unhook the battery and start over or something like that?
Well, you never actually said what brand of keyless entry system you're putting in; is it in fact a Bulldog Security model? It varies from one brand to the next and from one model to the next.

In general, the method for programming the first remote tends to _not_ be the same as programming _additional_ remotes. The first remote to be programmed needs a sign-on procedure that would overwrite a previous (possibly lost) remote, and it sounds like you have figured out that part. The _additional_ ones would use a method that adds them without erasing any previous ones, at least until you max-out the number of remotes that can be programmed at one time, usually either two or four.

With the Bulldog systems, for example, you typically get into programming mode using the _original_ remote, then press a button on the _new_ remote to add it. If you get into programming using the new remote only, the system will probably forget all about the previous one since it will assume you lost it.

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One more thing..Where is the best place to mount the module? It is just a keyless entry, not an alarm

Thanks,Allen
Usually they go somewhere under the dash, up around the steering column wherever you can find room. The more important thing is to get good reception for the antenna. The Bulldog ones just use a yellow wire which they tell you to extend out as straight as possible. I spliced in an extension so I could run it up the A pillar and across the windshield for best reception, but it varies from car to car so you may have to experiment a little.
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Got it!!!!!!!
Thanks Andy
I just wasnt doing the programming fast enough before
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