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Old 01-30-2007, 02:02 PM   #11
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this is a wicked nice write-up . Can yoou give us a night shot of the system?

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Old 01-30-2007, 03:08 PM   #12
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Thats pretty cool, good work.

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Here was the breakdown of costs.

Delphi NA40001-11B1 Nav Radio Kit (Includes Antenna, Map DVD & User Manual) - $1,400.00 USD

I purchased this from United Radio Service ( www.unitedradio.com ). These guys were awesome. I had dealt with them before and received fantastic customer service. I was just as impressed the second time around.

Scosche GM07B Pigtail Harness (2 Required) - $20.00/each CDN
Metra 71-2003-1 Pigtail Harness (1 Required) - $70.00 CDN
Metra GM-20 Antenna Adapter (1 Required) - $8.50 CDN
Best Kits BAA7 Antenna Adapter (1 Required) - $12.00 CDN
Instrument Panel Nut Inserts (3 Required) - $4.25/each CDN

None of the prices include applicable taxes. There was also shipping and handling. I already had many of the shop type supplies which included solder, heat shrink tubing, screws, weather strip, tie wraps and miscellaneous screws and nuts.

As for night pics, I'll snap a few tonight and post them.
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I'm assuming that no translation had to be done to the databus signal? The Class-2 radios are usually VIN locked, when you ordered the Nav, did you have to provide them your VIN? Very cool install, nice work on doing it all. If you want to email or post the pin-outs on the interconnect harness you made, I'd be interested in seeing that.
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Traditionally this is correct. Since this product is manufactured and sold as an aftermarket "Comsumer Product", it has not been programmed with the TheftLock feature. Delphi manufactures and markets this item for specific GM vehicles, but the unit says right on the side that it is not a GM part and not to take it to a GM dealer for warranty service (which is odd since it also has a label that shows both GM and Delphi part numbers). One of the reasons I selected this instead of an OEM version from eBay was because of the TheftLock. With a used unit, it would require a Tech 2 scan tool to perform a VIN relearn on the radio. Since this item wasn't an option in this vehicle line, and since the Tech 2 needs to know which vehicle it is talking to when connected there was some discussion it may not be able to do this. I felt it could be a costly "experiment" to find out for sure and elected to live without the TheftLock feature. I have however, added this equipment to my car insurance policy just in case someone else feels it would look better in their vehicle. This unit does still utilize the Class 2 Serial Data Bus to communicate with the other components in the car (12 disc player, XM Digital Radio Receiver, etc).

From what I can tell, it seems pretty much identical to the OEM version except for the TheftLock feature. I have no direct experience with using the OEM version so I can't say there aren't other differences. You will also note from the picture that it has "Delphi" printed on the top front of the radio where the OEM versions do not. When it powers up the screen displays "DELPHI" briefly as well. The map DVD'* will need to be purchased from Delphi as well, as opposed to www.gmnavdisc.com.

Here is a link to the Delphi page:

http://shopdelphi.com/consumers/mobi...ls/highlights/

I'll document the wiring harness adapter and post it as soon as I can.
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Does the chime work?
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Other than the "Functional Limitations" I mentioned in my post of the completed project (relating to OnStar and HUD), everything else works as it did with the original head unit including the door and warning chimes.
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Question, if you could find the nav system for a 2004+ GP, could you install it and in turn keep the onstar/HUD functions?
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Question, if you could find the nav system for a 2004+ GP, could you install it and in turn keep the onstar/HUD functions?
To answer your question, I'm not certain. Something tells me that when I saw a nav unit for a Grand Prix the mounting brackets were compeltely different (similar to what I think the Lucerne has) and didn't look like they would fit the Bonneville.

Keep in mind that with the HUD, everything works normally except it won't display any information relating to the audio equipment. This is only displayed for a few seconds anyway when the volume or band is changed or a different CD/Track is selected. It does appear that this is a function of the radio broadcasting a class 2 data signal to the HUD and not part of a body control module. Since this nav unit wasn't designed for any vehicle with a HUD, this is likely by design.

Similarly, OnStar is fully functional from the standpoint of making/receiving calls, voice commands, etc. Again, there are a limited number of functions with OnStar that broadcast a message on the class 2 data bus which will be displayed on the radio. Because this nav unit doesn't seem to process these, it won't display on the screen (although this MAY be by design).
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thats crazy! good work wow now what do you think the chances are of putting a factory 2000 + bonnie unit into a 97 sabre i looked and was unsure if the 2000- had ever gotten a navi unit from the factory
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