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Old 10-26-2009, 11:05 PM   #11
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no problem. I am a master certified ase technician and have dealt with air bags before, but thank you very much for your concern. Like I said you guys are saving me a ton of research time and I appreciate it a lot. I am hoping to help out others whenever I can.
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i will have to find the diargram i looked at again to tell you for sure. when you get them from the dealership i believe that they are 2 pieces one is the seat back grid and the other is the bottom grid, i will let you know when i find out and post the diagram for you
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please do jump in wherever you can help, and thank you for joining the forum
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Anything that you do that you feel might be useful to other members, such as fixing your set heater. Feel free to do a write up on how you did it, take a lot of pictures to show how you did it, list tools and parts, that kind of thing. I will be more then happy to put that in to the tech info area under your name. You do a write up, you get full credit.
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I will see what I can do. A lot of what I do is over my lunch hour or right after work, So I don't have a lot of time. I am also going back to school after many years for my bachelor'* degree then off to get my masters degree from Philips Theological Seminary. I am not sure how many pics I can get done, but I will try to do a good write up when I can. So are the heater elements from the dealer actual O.e. parts or are they an aftermarket replacement?

Another side note, How do I get a pic up with my signature or on my profile?
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https://www.gmforum.com/t279711/ this will help you add pictures and the heater elements are only available through the dealership actual o.e.
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You will need a place to host a banner such at Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket This is then added in the user CP area under signature. If you do a write up, just send me a PM when you do so I don't miss it.
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if you are goin to attempt the heater fix on your own i would strongly recommend disconnecting the battery to avoid the bags going off
In order to get the seat out, it has to be all the way forward. Four torx bolts hold them in, two in the front, one behind the seat track next to the console and one in the seat track by the door.
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There are 3 elements in the seat cushion and 2 in the seat back. The elements don't fail, the wire breaks where they connect to the feed wires. I believe each element is 8 ohms resistance. The seat cushion elements are hooked up in series (not parallel) so if you check resistance at the connector that feeds the seat you should read 24 ohms. The elements in the seat back are also in series and are fed from on connector, which should check at 16 ohms if you read across the contacts.

If you work on your seat, you must disable the airbag system, and this is not a matter of disconnecting the battery. There is a fuse you have to pull in the fuse box under the rear seat, and you have to disconnect 4 yellow hard shell electical connectors that have safety locks. One is under the driver side knee bolster (plastic panel in front of your knees) and is close to and to the right of the steering column. The second connector is under the passenger knee bolster, a little to the right of the center of the panel. The third connector is below the driver seat, and the fourth beneath the passenger seat.

If you are going to pull your seat cushion or the seat back apart, I recommend you pull the seat out of the car. It is actually the easiest part of the job, and makes working on the seat components much easier.

The seat cushion is held to the seat frame by two nuts under the front edge. Remove those, lift the front of the cushion and it will come free. Clearly mark each side of each wire connector you disconnect to make sure you know where they connect back. The leather seat cover is held on by plastic U channels that hook to the seat plastic foundation. Once you get to this point you will see how to get it apart. When you put it back together, make sure you line up the velcro strips, and push down on them as you are putting the cover back on. If you don't do that the seat cushion won't have the proper profile when you put it back together.

The seat back is a little more tricky. Start with the zippers and everything is pretty straight forward from there. The tricky part is getting the leather cover back on. It is basically a bag that fits over the seat frame, and is a very tight fit. Take your time. It also helps to heat the leather cover up before you install it. Not to the point of burning it of course. I hang mine about a foot away from a work light, and rotate it so it warms up evenly. Now that I think about it, I would describe it as warming it up more than heating it up. A cold leather cover is not flexible enough to install.

The elements in the seats cannot be removed and replaced. They are applied between the leather and the foam backing before the foam backing is sewn to the leather. You would have to remove all the stitching to remove the elements, which will destroy the seat. If it is the elements, and not the connections to the feed wires, the best thing to get is an after market seat heater that installs between the foam that is sewn to the leather and the foam bun that sits in the seat frame. They are a little less efficient becasue the heat has to pass through a layer of foam to get to your butt, but better than a cold seat.

Feel free to ask questions. I am pretty familiar with this.
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How do the elements actually work? I took the cover off of my seat cushion and found the wires to it ok. What i did find was a wire that looked fried going around in a circle around to the opposite side from where the wires are glued in. Is this still a feed wire or part of the actual element? I'm not sure when I could get pics for you to see. Might take a while. IS photobucket free? is it hard to use and post from there?
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