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Old 06-12-2009, 03:11 PM   #1
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OK GUYS CHECK THIS OUT. I WENT BACK TO THE SPOT WHERE I BROUGHT MY CAR FROM THEY SENT ME TO THEIR MECHANIC SHOP. THE GUY OT MY CAR ON A DIAGNOSTIC READER AND TOLD ME MY 02 SENSORS WERE BAD KNOCK SENSOR TORQUE CONVERTER AND I NEEDED A TRANSMISSION BOLT. I ASKD THE PRICE FOR THE REPAIRS AND THEY TOLD ME 1135 IF I WANTED TO BUY MY OWN PARTS THEN IT WOULD 598 JUS FOR THE LABOR. THEY CLAIM THAT MY SERVICE AGREEMENT DOES NOT COVER IT BECAUSE IT IS ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS NW I THNK THAT IS BULLSHIT!!!! CAN SUM1 PLEASE HELP ME HOW AM I TO B SURE THAT ALL THOSE ARE THE PROBLEM ANTHR GUY TOLD ME IT CULD B MY 02 SENSOR THROWING EVERYTHING ELSE OFF CULD DTHAT ALSO ME TRU? PLEASE HELP BECAUSE I KNW FOR A FACT IM NOT DEALING WIT THE GUYS I BROUGHT THE CAR FROM. AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO PUT A 02 SENSOR ON DUDE TOLD ME A HOUR AND IF I BUY THE PART HE'LL CHARGE ME 70 AX
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ok the o2 sensors are easy to get too and are not that expensive i got mine from auto zone if you have a jack or a set of ramps and a set of wrenches you can easily do it yourself and you're right that is b/* that they wont cover it when you bought it from them its their fault that they didnt check this stuff out or if they did sold it w/o fixing it to sucker someone into the repairs. the transmission bolt is a big no no for not having that in there should be able to get one pretty cheap and just slide it in. that place sounds like a bunch of con artists if you ask me the torque converter if it is bad then you would have a strange vibrating sound when it went to shift or take off that you could feel through the floor boards and i think the knock sensor has its own code but not sure there is a list of codes and meanings somewhere on here forget where but that should tell you and if the engine light is on which it would be if your o2 sensors were shot the take it to autozone and have them run the codes they wont try to con you on what it is and they do it right in front of you
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Do us all a big favor. Please turn off the caps, use words since this isn't a text message and you'd like help, add in a bit of punctuation and that will make it much easier on all of us.

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Bill, I'm guessing he'* using a blackberry.

Sounds like your being taken for a ride here. Get a new O2 sensor at Auto Parts Fast at RockAuto and install it yourself. There'* a write up in the tech info area. Check the car for vacuum leaks, these can throw a lot of odd codes like misfire, pressure control solenoid, and the list goes on.
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thanks Dan and Saw an yea I'm doin this frm a phne but why does it make a diffrence if I'm using caps? I'm goin to purchase the 02 sensors from autozone because I have someone that'* going to put them on but how do you knw when they are bad as far as looking at them? I just want to know for maself and future refrence. But just want to say thanks to all u guys for helpn out
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Caps make it look like your yelling

You really can't tell if a O2 sensor is bad by looking at it.
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Honestly..it'* tougher for my tired eyes to read. Then since I don't text a lot..the sum1 stuff needs to be translated by my aging brain.

In my quick scan, diagnose and run for the next post world..it was tougher and while we help many folks, some days we ask for some help from you guys to make things easier on us.

I definately appreciate the attempt and can understand that it'* much tougher to type from a phone.

On the O2 sensors. If you don't have a check engine light there is no need to replace the rear sensor. The way to check the rear sensor is via a code, no code for a rear sensor issue..then there is no rear sensor issue to address. The front O2 can get slow, meaning if you are used to seeing O2'* on a scan tool and watch the toggling, it'll be slow and mpg'* are usually down. That is a classic sign of a bad front O2. A code for a front O2 would be the other way to know it'* bad.

For the torque converter..does your car drive funny? A torque converter isn't an electrical item, but the soleniod that can control it would be. I'd want to see you get the codes checked by somewhere like Autozone to review a TC code. If you can, please have them pull the codes, then bring the code numbers back to the forum and we can help diagnose from there.

Transmission bolt.. did they show you the missing bolt or can you see one missing from around the transmission bellhousing under the exhaust cross over? There should be 4, and a hole for a locating pin that looks like a 5th hole. There'* also a 5th bolt, but it'* on the passenger side and you can't see it w/o taking other parts off, which they didn't do.
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Ok sorry about that Bill, im at the library now so thngs should be typed out alot better
I do have the codes well one is just the 02 sensor what im not understanding is when you say the rear and the front i did see one of my sensors and that was kinda behind the motor the other one i have no clue as where it could be. They didnt show me anything missing this is just what he told me when i called to check on the repairs and pricing for my car where is it located i can try looking myself is it dangerous to be riding without that bolt? And where could i purchase one from?

Is the torque converter solenoid the same as the torque converter or are they two diffrent things?

The two codes autozone pulled up for me were
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po742

Thanks for all the help thus far im just not really mechanically inclined with these types of issues but im really trying to learn and i love my car i know bonnevilles are excellent cars.
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Here'* a little info on P0332
GearChatter.com :: View topic - DTC P0327 or P0332

On P0742 it'* a transmission code, here'* what a quick search netted on that one.
P0742 DTC Code? - 3800Pro.com Forum

The torque converter code doesn't look promising and could be costly because replacing parts in the trans requires it to nearly come out of the car...if not totally out.

On the the easier things. There is an O2 sensor right behind your motor in the rear exhaust manifold. That sounds like the one you have seen. The other is in the exhaust piping right after the catalytic converter. The rear one is only there to ensure emissions are correct. Usually there is no reason to change the rear one unless there is a code regarding it specifically.
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Thanks Bill a whole lot i am goin to check those websites out. Well i guess the first thing i will do is get that 02 sensor replaced thge one in the front if that doesnt work i have to figure ou the next step cuz like i said im loosing power sumtimes it seems as if it wants to cut off i would b gettin ready to take off and it would hesitate about three tymes like it was ready to cut off then it would seem to idle fst a heard hack then drop back down its very confusing to me i really hope you can understand what im saying.
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