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Old 11-12-2009, 02:40 PM   #11
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no problem it was a joy yesterday when i got to roll down all my windows, too bad it was 35 outside
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Greg, did you get the drain hose fixed?
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That'* definitely my problem. So did you just join all 4 wires together? Or did you reuse that bridge?
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Success! Spliced the wires together and now have 4 working windows and power locks.
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I just noticed I have some water on the drivers floor, anyone know where that drain hose is? or how to fix it?

I will jump into it later tonight If i havent heard anything and figure it out and post back with the information needed to correct the problem. I was suprised when I felt a wet carpet... its not bad but still its there.

FYI.. sometimes DDM have to be programmed with the Tech2... so sometimes a Junkyard module will not work. seems like everyone else has given sufficent info on the subject. lmk if anyone needs Wiring diagrams for ANYTHING in the car.. or better yet any info related to programming, etc. PM me Ill get it over to you.
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havent had a chance to fix my water leak yet but its in the works for tomorrow. and yes just splice them all together.

and i will be starting with the left front then working back. is there a way not to drop the headliner? or what. Im glad i could help you all
it also took me 6 months to find that wiring diagram
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I just noticed I have some water on the drivers floor, anyone know where that drain hose is? or how to fix it?
The drain hose is connected to the sunroof frame under the head liner. It runs under the front pillar moldings and the rear pillar moldings. The problems usually found are a clogged drain tube or a tube has become disconnected from the drain outlet. the biggest hassle is dropping the headliner to get to the connections.
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havent had a chance to fix my water leak yet but its in the works for tomorrow. and yes just splice them all together.

and i will be starting with the left front then working back. is there a way not to drop the headliner? or what. Im glad i could help you all
it also took me 6 months to find that wiring diagram
Dropping the headliner isn't too bad. Plus it allows me to replace it to get rid of the water damage done to the fabric in the headliner.

The leak that I had were from the two back drains. I'm not sure what happened, but the rear drains run into the trunk and out the sides. It seems as if neither were "punched through" all of the way. If I put water in the hoses, they would do a slow drip, drip while most of the water backed up and overflowed into the back seat (and there was a corresponding brown stain on the topside of the headliner).

I just reseated the end of the hoses to make sure they went outside and the water flowed freely when I poured it in the drains.

Even then, the drains don't have much capacity. I hope I don't think that it'* fixed too soon, but it seems that the drains were made to only handle maybe a half a cup of water at once. Anymore than that overwhelms the small hole and it backs up in the roof.

I thought it might not have been fixed, but I can disconnect the hose and pour water down a funnel and it flows out very regularly. I looked at the design and wondered what could possibly be wrong. Small hole; large amount of water. It only does so much. I can't imagine why water should be in there in the first place. Maybe the sunroof isn't a good watertight seal?

ETA: I should also add that my sunroof needed adjusting. There was about an 1/8" gap on the rear side and with these torrential rains we get in Florida, that would have easily overwhelmed the drains in the back in their previous "drip drip" condition. I guess I will ease my mind with a trip to an automatic car wash tomorrow.

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Everything you wanted to know about sunroof drain tubes.

There is a polyethylene (white) tube going from each corner of the sunroof to rubber (black) tubes with a nipple and grommet molded on one end. The grommet seals the hole in the sheet metal where the nipple sticks out into the wheel well openings. The nipple is covered by the plastic fender liners. The white tube is around 5 feet long, the black one around 16 inches.

There are three common failures that lead to water leaks.

#1
The drain tubes can get disconnected from the fitting on the sunroof assembly. If this happens the water will drain above the headliner and you will see water spots on your headliners. To fix this you have to drop the headliner and reattach the tube. When you do this, put a tie strap or hose clamp on the connection so it doesn't come apart again.

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The polyethylene tubes can pull out of the rubber hoses. It is just a slip fit, and this can happen fairly easily. If its a rear tube, pull the C pillar trim and follow the tube until it goes into the trunk, then follow it into the trunk. Find the disconnect and put it back together.

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If one of the front tubes gets disconnected, you cannot get at the connection unless you remove the instrument panel to put them back together. It is much easier to run a new tube. Here are the steps to do that (on the side where the leak is):
- pull the A pillar, the B pillar, the grab handles and the sunvisors
- remove the white tube from the sunroof, pull it from the tape on the A pillar and cut it about 4" above where it disappears into the dash up by the windshield
- jack the car up, remove the wheel and remove the two piece plastic fender liner by prying out the black plastic clips that hold them in place
- look for the black nipple, using a screw driver pry the grommet out, and pull the black hose completely out
- go to Home Depot and buy a length of polyethylene tube. Take the white tube with you so you know what diameter, and you need at least 5 feet.
- buy 12 feet of the wire cable used for garage doors, except (if it is available) get a smaller diameter than used for garage doors). It needs to slide easily into the white tube.
- back home, feed the wire down the white tube you cut off just above the IP
- cut and straighten a wire coat hanger, and bend a small hook on one end
- using the hooked end of the coat hanger wire, poke aroung inside the hole the black tube gromett came out of, and fish the wire out the hole
- tie the wire off to your suspension coil spring (very important)
- back to the cut off white tube that now has the wire fed through it, pull the tube out and off the other end of the wire
- cut a 5 fout lenght of the new white tube and feed the loose end of the wire into it, continue feeding as the tube goes down into the dash and you can extend it out the grommet hole
- when you get 4" or 5" of white tube sticking out the hole in the wheel well, have someone hold it at the bottom, untie the wire and pull it out from the top
- cut the black tube with the grommet and nipple about 4" from the grommet, and force it over the white tube sticking into the wheel well as far as it will go
- push the black hose back into the hole, and reposition the grommet
- based on how much tube you pushed back into the hole, pull some of the new white tube out from the hole in the IP to take up the slack
- route the white hose up the A pillar to the sunroof, and cut it to fit
- install the white tube to the nipple on the sunroof, and secure it with a cable tie or hose clamp
- cut about 1/4" off the nipple to increase the diameter
- reinstall the visors, A pillar, B pillar, wheel liners, tires, etc
- cut the black hose you removed about 4" or 5" from the grommet
- have a beer

The third failure mode is for the nipple to get plugged up with crappage. To clear it, jack the car up, remove the wheel, and remove the two piece wheel liner. Use wire to poke into the nipple to clear it out. Cut about 1/4" off the nipple to increase the opening diameter.

Now here is the easy part; how to tell if your sunroof drain tubes are leaking.

Pop the back of the glass up into the vent position. Yes, you may not know it but there is a vent position. As you pour a cup of water into each of the rear drains observe where the water pours out (if it pours out). If it comes out near the front of the rear wheel liners, the drain tubes are in place. Now move the sunroof glass to the full open position (rearward) to expose the front drain holes. As you pour a cup of water into each of the front drain holes observe where water pours out. If it pours out near the rear of the front wheel liners, the drain tubes are in place.

I recommend you not try to clear crappage out of your drain tubes by using compressed air. You could easily blow the tubes off the connections to the sunroof, or cause a disconnect between the white and black tubes. If there is obstruction, it will be at the nipples, which can be cleaned as outlined above.

Let me know if you have any questions on this.
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