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Old 07-23-2006, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default Help with Window Regulator fix.

I'm in the middle of trying to fix this thing, and I've got the whole thingtaken apart, but I don't understand the following:..... "To remove loosen the window retainer to window clamp fasteners 4 revolutions. Lower the window regulator about half way down. Disconnect the electrical connector from the power window motor. Remove the window regulator to inner door panel fasteners (1, 2, 3). Tilt the motor end of the window regulator to the forward end of the door. Tilt the top of the regulator toward the lower rear corner of the door. Remove the regulator through the front access hole in the door panel......."
Where the heck is the window clamp fastener - And when you take the assembly out, what happens to the window? what holds it in there?

430pm ...I'm feeling pretty beat up by this after a couple hours - so for now I want to just clamp the window shut or use a block of wood, but it won't budge. I can't get it closed by manually pushing or pulling the window - it'* stuck halfway down. Do I have to get the regulator out before I can do that?
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Hold tight, Bonnie. Hopefully Archon will be coming in soon. I'll have a look at the FSM on removal of window regulators. Maybe I can help during the interim period.
Her'* a step by step for removal of window regulator-Front Door:
1. Remove door trim panel.
2. Remove water deflector.
3. Tape the window in the closed position.
4. Thru the acces holes in the inner door panel, loosen the window clamp attachment bolts 4 revolutions.
5. Lower the window regulator 3/4'* the way down.
6. Disconnect the electrical connector.
7. Remove the window regulator to inner door panel fasteners.
8. Remove the window regulator.
The graphic reps in the FSM don't show much with reference as to which fastener is which here. I know this may not be much help. It'* the best I can do for now. I've never had a regulator out unfortunately.
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Thanks Mark My plan for now is just to get the window closed and clamp it in place and then fix the regulator later, but I can't get the window all the way up. I've pulled and pulled but it goes up about 3/4 of the way and then stops.

I started unscrewing things in there, but it hasn't loosened anything so I can pull the window up.

6 hours later:
Does anyone know how to get the window closed? 60 views of this topic and no one knows. I'm beginning to feel a little desperate now with the thing in pieces all over the garage and I have to drive it to work tomorrow...

Calling it a day on this one. I know a few people here have tried this fix, so when one of those few come around, could you pm me and I'll call you if necessary. I read here PontiacDad said he put a C-clamp on his to hold it up. That'* what I want to do for now.

Do I need to leave the regulator in or take it out if I put a C-clamp on it to keep it shut. If I need to take it out, I'll wrestle with the thing, but I don't want to get that deep if I don't need to, to get it closed and keep it closed.
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Sorry that I got here late. The easiest way to disconnect the window from the sled of the regulator is with the window up all the way. When it is, peering through 2 holes about at the top middle of the door you will see two screws that tighten the clamp of the sled to the window. GM recommends taping the window in the up position while work is being done on it to hold it up. You can't get the regulator out with the window still clamped in. Is it down far enough to where you can see those two 10 mm screws? If so, just loosen those and the window should come free. In the techinfo article

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...e=article&k=97

the second picture shows the back end of those screws. If you can't get at them, try removing the 3 screws that hold the motor on, and then remove the motor. That should free up the gearing so that you should be able to move the thing manually. Push it all the way up, find some way to hold it there (duct tape will work) loosen those screws and it should be free. Then you can choose to either just clamp it shut, or remove the regulator and repair it If you choose to repair it, once you remove the nuts that hold the regulator in place, slide the bottom of the regulator toward the bottom front (toward the hinges) of the door. The top will then swing down toward the back of the door, and with the sled about halfway down, you should be able to slide the regulator out through the large opening at the bottom of the door.

Edit - If you want to C clamp it in, the regulator will need to remain in place with the C clamp holding the sled up.
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Thanks for the reply Archon! I do want to C-clamp it shut, but I cannot get the window closed. I've pushed and pulled and loosened nuts, it goes up about 3/4 of the way and no further.

Do I have to take the regulator out to get it to close?

Last week I printed the pictures from the link you sent and the pictures someone else posted for taking the panel off the door and the regulator out. Today I was completely ready for this with all the proper tools, all the pictures (in color) so I started. I followed the directions and it was a breezel til I got to the regulator-

I'd like to fix it tomorrow evening if anyone can tell me how to close the window...
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Did you remove the motor?

Edit - If you removed the motor and it still will not go up, the cable is likely bound up on the reel. If that'* the case, you have two choices. The first is to cut the cable. The second is to remove the black cover under the motor by bending the two metal tabs up. As you aren't going to be repairing it, you can then just pry that cover off without worrying about the tabs on the other side. The cable should come spooling out then and hopefully be free enough for you to move the window.

All of that is assuming that you can't get at the two screws that are holding the window to the sled. Once those are loose, the window can be moved entirely out of the regulator sled.
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Youre cable is wrapped around the pulley try rolling the window up just a bit (from drivers seat)This happened both times that mine broke. It might take a few to get all the slack unrolled but it will be easy.(assuming your reg is repairable)Also when you make the bracket make sure that the measurement on the tab is on the inside of the bracket, I made mine too short and had to fix it 3 times because the cable would slide out from the back.
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I'm a little stuck, if anyone'* around. Here'* the link with the picture I'm talking about: http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...or+replacement

I followed the pictures, one by one, except five and six.... Don't know where that comes in - didn't seem necessary. The problem I have is with picture # 9, where it says here is the window regulator. I'm lost there.. the first sentence "To remove loosen the window retainer to window clamp fasteners 4 revolutions" ---

What is the window retainer... is it #l, #2, or #3 or all?
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the window retainer is the metal bracket that attaches the window glass to the regulator. They have two phillips head screws holding the retainer onto the glass. the glass slides into the retainer. If you feel up to the top of the regulator, you will feel the retainer. I do not know how you will loosen the bolts on it though if you can't raise the window all the way up, or all the way down. Can you get the window down, atleast half way, so that you can remove the bolts on the retainer? If you can, loosen them enough so that you can seperate the window glass from the regulator. Once the window is then all the way up, tape it shut, then remove the bolts holding the regulator onto the door.

I marked what the retainer looks like on the picture below. It'* that large metal bracket that the glass attaches to. Loosen the two bolts that are on it to slide it off of the glass.
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