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Old 03-11-2013, 02:32 PM
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where did you connect the wire to
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Originally Posted by jwfirebird
where did you connect the wire to
where the how to guide said to.
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i think i would take some measurements around the car, see what the voltage is in the car when putting on the brake. they might have had to small a circuit somewhere. might be beneficial to put the sense wire in the car where the loads are

you may have some water in some of the light housings. or water getting into the harness some were or the wire partially shorting to ground due to vibration chafing the insulation
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Originally Posted by jwfirebird
i think i would take some measurements around the car, see what the voltage is in the car when putting on the brake. they might have had to small a circuit somewhere. might be beneficial to put the sense wire in the car where the loads are

you may have some water in some of the light housings. or water getting into the harness some were or the wire partially shorting to ground due to vibration chafing the insulation
I have already checked all the light housings.. I know there is no water in them. I already had that problem a couple of years ago, replaced the backup light sockets.

So where would you suggest moving the sensing wire too? I would think the greatest load would be right where it'* at, where all the maxi fuses and relays are located.
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I believe the main issue is, the alternator is not strong enough at idle RPM to provide enough power to maintain a sufficient charge on the battery. Though your alternator may pass the bench test at Autozone, but they also ramp up the RPM beyond your normal engine RPM of 600-700. Usually this is due to a failing rectifier bridge. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Mike1995
I believe the main issue is, the alternator is not strong enough at idle RPM to provide enough power to maintain a sufficient charge on the battery. Though your alternator may pass the bench test at Autozone, but they also ramp up the RPM beyond your normal engine RPM of 600-700. Usually this is due to a failing rectifier bridge. Just my 2 cents.
It makes sense that the alternator isn't strong enough to keep up at idle, because at idle is the only time this stupid thing dims.

Is there any way to test the rectifier bridge? Or does that mean it'* off to buy a whole new alternator?
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If the cables and battery are truly in good condition, it may be possible to do a amp draw test on while a load was placed on the alternator. Basically, measure the amount of amps being drawn on the battery engine off lights on etc, say if its, 50 amps, start car up, allow to reach operating temp or 600ish RPM whichever comes first, then measure the amp draw with the same electrical load except, connect the clamp onto the alternator cable. If the value is the same or higher, and if you increase the RPM and the value goes down, then, yes, your alternator is dying.

I hope that made sense. Or you can read this one, but its using voltage which isn't a very good test. How to Test a Car Alternator
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Originally Posted by Mike1995
If the cables and battery are truly in good condition, it may be possible to do a amp draw test on while a load was placed on the alternator. Basically, measure the amount of amps being drawn on the battery engine off lights on etc, say if its, 50 amps, start car up, allow to reach operating temp or 600ish RPM whichever comes first, then measure the amp draw with the same electrical load except, connect the clamp onto the alternator cable. If the value is the same or higher, and if you increase the RPM and the value goes down, then, yes, your alternator is dying.

I hope that made sense. Or you can read this one, but its using voltage which isn't a very good test. How to Test a Car Alternator
with an amp draw test, doesn't there have to be an open in the circuit and the meter placed in that open?
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You can buy the multimeters with the amp clamp that would go over cable. No cut an splicing or anything.
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Something like this...

OTC 3908 AMP Clamp/Multimeter : Amazon.com : Automotive OTC 3908 AMP Clamp/Multimeter : Amazon.com : Automotive
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