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Old 12-22-2003, 12:25 AM   #1
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Default torque steer sucks on a 93 stock ssei, normal?

im driving a beat up 93 ssei till my aurora gets fixed.

the torque steer sucks on it, it pulls the wheel pretty hard when going from a stop, or like 10-20mph wot. now, when the aurora takes off with the same speeds it has NO torque steer. was this problem fixed on the newer ssei'*, like the ones with the 4t65hd'*? i know the aurora doesn't have much (almost none, like 10% as much as the ssei) because of the "perfectly equal half shafts" did it get any better in the newer years?
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I've got minimal torque steer. Didn't even think it was a problem. Will, what'* your take?
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Can't say I have much, if I start out straight. It acts like any other high performance front wheel drive, Bonnies just require a firm hand, that'* all

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Mine wasn't any worse than my old Quad4'*, but mainly because they were stick, and I only had one hand on the wheel for launching. 2 hands on Greenzilla.

My minimal torque steer is about twice as bad as stock now. Jeffrey10x2 and I have done a little investigative work in torque-arms, but have had no real success yet (he'* actually had a version on his car, but cracked an A-arm).

I firmly believe firmer bushings on the A-arms would help quite a bit with this.
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M'kay.... What'* a Polyethelene setup cost? $100+?
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Haven't looked it up yet. It'll be a PITA though.

The original bushings flex too much. This is what allows the torque steer to have an effect. It also caused Jeffrey'* first attempt at torque arms to break the A-arm.
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Because of the transmission and half-shaft setups on these cars, you are going to get noticable torque steer when you are making as much torque as these engines are making. In our SSEi the torque steer is just starting to get bad. It is at the point where you really have to have a VERY firm grip on the wheel to keep it in the same lane. On the GTP it isn't too bad because the LSD keeps it minimal but it still appears. However on my car, now that I have "tweaked" the turbo a little bit, I am actually starting to get some torque steer. It is just expected with the setup of these cars. It is just something you have to get used to I guess.

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With my new tires i found it much more apparent cause the grip much harder. But just a firm hand will remedy the torque steer.
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did the torque steer get any better w/ the 4t65? anyone have both? i guess a LSD would help a new one. but this thing doesn't hook up because of its bald tires, yes its my step moms who admits to doing burnouts (she'* like 56). for a stock fwd performance sedan, its too much. my car, and the sts'* and etc'* ive driven have almost no torque steer. the sts'* are just enough to barely be noticeable and they are more powerful than this. the beauty of equal half shafts i guess

just curious is all, my next car will most likely be a regal gs sleepers rule! just wanted to know if the tq steer is still really bad, but of course when im done it'll be much worse
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did the torque steer get any better w/ the 4t65? anyone have both? i guess a LSD would help a new one. but this thing doesn't hook up because of its bald tires, yes its my step moms who admits to doing burnouts (she'* like 56). for a stock fwd performance sedan, its too much. my car, and the sts'* and etc'* ive driven have almost no torque steer. the sts'* are just enough to barely be noticeable and they are more powerful than this. the beauty of equal half shafts i guess

just curious is all, my next car will most likely be a regal gs sleepers rule! just wanted to know if the tq steer is still really bad, but of course when im done it'll be much worse
An STS however does not have as much torque as a Series II L67. Even though it is rated higher, it is not. The Series II L67 has proven to have ~330lb.ft. torque stock. And I have seen a guy in an Eldorado almost drive off the road because of the torque steer he was getting, so I am not so sure that is entirely true.

We have cars with both the 4T60 and 4T65e-hd, but the ones with the 4T65 have much more power so it isn't like I can really compare. My Grand Prix which is rated at 220lb.ft. has some torque steer, but its just barely noticable. The other '90 Grand Prix we have also has a little torque steer, but not that bad, and it is making comparable power to the SSEi. If anything I would say the torque steer is worse wtih the 4T65e-hd, but I really think you would have to have the same engine on both trannies to be able to say. Our SSEi will seriously move to the other side of the road if you don't have a firm grip on the steering wheel, no joke.

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