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1992-1999 Series I L27 (1992-1994 SE,SLE, SSE) & Series II L36 (1995-1999 SE, SSE, SLE) and common problems for the Series I and II L67 (all supercharged models 92-99) Including Olds 88's, Olds LSS's and Buick Lesabres Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.

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Old 11-25-2002, 05:35 PM   #11
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If I dont want to do the procedure myself as written in techinfo, who would you say should do it....the dealer or a mechanic? Are most mechanics used to dealing with the superchargers?

Also the only dealership I have locally is the GM oldsmobile, Chrysler... Do they deal with the Pontiacs? Or do I need to drive and find a dealer with Pontiac on their sign?
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Kimmers,

The dealer is going to run you more CN$ than the mechanic (as a general rule), however, you are guarenteed that the dealer will not screw up. They have the oil or can order it relatively quickly. An Oldsmobile dealer should be familiar with these engines because they did come in some LSS'* and are the same engine as the Series II 3800 SC.

Your alternatives are to "interview" other mechanics and ask questions such as "what kind of oil do you use in the Supercharger?"..."How many SC'd 3800'* have you serviced in the past year/month?"..."Have you ever done this proceedure before?" (and ask to see a receipt for proof). If he/she can prove that this engine is not new to them, I would then ask for references. Don't be afraid to call Canada'* answer to the Better Business Bureau to check for multiple complaints.

The other alternative is to do it yourself. It is very simple to do. Just make sure you purchase the correct oil from the dealer.

I had my car into the Pontiac dealer for a free oil change. I asked them to quote me the SC oil change and they quoted me $60.00 USD (plus tax). I told them no thanks. They said that the oil was $15.00 USD and the rest was labor. I don't think so!

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Kimmers,

The dealer is going to run you more CN$ than the mechanic (as a general rule), however, you are guarenteed that the dealer will not screw up. They have the oil or can order it relatively quickly. An Oldsmobile dealer should be familiar with these engines because they did come in some LSS'* and are the same engine as the Series II 3800 SC.

Your alternatives are to "interview" other mechanics and ask questions such as "what kind of oil do you use in the Supercharger?"..."How many SC'd 3800'* have you serviced in the past year/month?"..."Have you ever done this proceedure before?" (and ask to see a receipt for proof). If he/she can prove that this engine is not new to them, I would then ask for references. Don't be afraid to call Canada'* answer to the Better Business Bureau to check for multiple complaints.

The other alternative is to do it yourself. It is very simple to do. Just make sure you purchase the correct oil from the dealer.

I had my car into the Pontiac dealer for a free oil change. I asked them to quote me the SC oil change and they quoted me $60.00 USD (plus tax). I told them no thanks. They said that the oil was $15.00 USD and the rest was labor. I don't think so!

Good Luck
Well, I would do it myself, but am finding it hard to even understand what is what under the hood, which in turn makes it a little hard to find things. I poped the plastic casing off the SC, or what I think would be the SC...maybe it wasnt, just out of curiousity and looked around. I couldnt locate anything that looked like the description I should be seeing. So, frustrated I closed the hood and thought I would come back when I wasnt frustrated. Ive dont this quite a few times since getting the car.
I need some type of manual ...or maybe you guys know of a drawing that is labled?
I have no problem with motivation...****, I'll get greesy anyday!
Anyways, off to my regular mother duties...
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If you are willing to try again read this post, otherwise skip it so that you don't get frustrated again.


While looking at the engine from the front of the car (hood up), the cover that you removed before is the main cover that sits over the supercharger. Don't bother removing this cover because it won't help you in this proceedure. Instead, look at the belts to your left. The very top two pulleys are going to be (from back to front) your alternator which is close to the windshield and your supercharger pulley which is attached to a "nose". The "nose" is the part of the engine that connects the supercharger pulley to the top of the engine. This is the key area of interest for this proceedure. Now, I am going to take a break so that you can identify these items before we go on to Identify anything else....


Okay, if you are still reading this, I assume that you are now familiar with the Supercharger nose location. Going from front to back over the "nose" you will see a plastic cover about 2" wide and about 6" long. This is a wiring harness cover. It is actually two pieces, a top and a bottom. The top piece comes off similar to the large, main plastic cover that you removed in prior attempts. I believe that if you carefully lift the back (windshield) end up first, it should come off pretty easily followed by the front end.

This is going to reveal two things to you: the wiring harness that it was hiding, and if you look down, slightly under the harnesses and slightly to the back of the nose, you will see a 3/8" hex head (roughly a 10mm if you use metric) bold that is slightly recessed in the base of the supercharger nose (right side of nose/left side of supercharger where the two parts are bolted together to form the supercharger unit). If you locate this, it is going perpendicular to the ground (screws in going down on the top of the supercharger nose base--not at an angle or horizontally). This is the ellusive plug which needs to be removed to gain access to the supercharger oil. It is usually black and should be easy to spot against the tan/beige supercharger paint.

If you still have difficulty with this but would like to try, I would ask someone (Willwren) with a digital camera and the ability to alter photos to snap (Willwren) a photo (Willwren) and put a white arrow at the location (Willwren) of the filler plug. I wonder if we can (Willwren) think of anyone (Willwren) who could do this (Willwren) for the Techinfo section (Willwren)?

If you can think (Willwren) of anyone and HE hasn't (Willwren) chimed in, maybe you could PM (Willwren) him and ask him to post one there.

I hope this helps. I know that once you find this plug, the rest will be very simple. Half the battle of all repairs is identifying the parts in question.

Good luck!

Tim


PS. Maybe WILLWREN could help with posting a picture in the Techinfo area!!!
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If you are willing to try again read this post, otherwise skip it so that you don't get frustrated again.


While looking at the engine from the front of the car (hood up), the cover that you removed before is the main cover that sits over the supercharger. Don't bother removing this cover because it won't help you in this proceedure. Instead, look at the belts to your left. The very top two pulleys are going to be (from back to front) your alternator which is close to the windshield and your supercharger pulley which is attached to a "nose". The "nose" is the part of the engine that connects the supercharger pulley to the top of the engine. This is the key area of interest for this proceedure. Now, I am going to take a break so that you can identify these items before we go on to Identify anything else....




Okay, if you are still reading this, I assume that you are now familiar with the Supercharger nose location. Going from front to back over the "nose" you will see a plastic cover about 2" wide and about 6" long. This is a wiring harness cover. It is actually two pieces, a top and a bottom. The top piece comes off similar to the large, main plastic cover that you removed in prior attempts. I believe that if you carefully lift the back (windshield) end up first, it should come off pretty easily followed by the front end.

This is going to reveal two things to you: the wiring harness that it was hiding, and if you look down, slightly under the harnesses and slightly to the back of the nose, you will see a 3/8" hex head (roughly a 10mm if you use metric) bold that is slightly recessed in the base of the supercharger nose (right side of nose/left side of supercharger where the two parts are bolted together to form the supercharger unit). If you locate this, it is going perpendicular to the ground (screws in going down on the top of the supercharger nose base--not at an angle or horizontally). This is the ellusive plug which needs to be removed to gain access to the supercharger oil. It is usually black and should be easy to spot against the tan/beige supercharger paint.

If you still have difficulty with this but would like to try, I would ask someone (Willwren) with a digital camera and the ability to alter photos to snap (Willwren) a photo (Willwren) and put a white arrow at the location (Willwren) of the filler plug. I wonder if we can (Willwren) think of anyone (Willwren) who could do this (Willwren) for the Techinfo section (Willwren)?

If you can think (Willwren) of anyone and HE hasn't (Willwren) chimed in, maybe you could PM (Willwren) him and ask him to post one there.

I hope this helps. I know that once you find this plug, the rest will be very simple. Half the battle of all repairs is identifying the parts in question.

Good luck!

Tim


PS. Maybe WILLWREN could help with posting a picture in the Techinfo area!!!
While looking at the engine from the front of the car (hood up), the cover that you removed before is the main cover that sits over the supercharger. Don't bother removing this cover because it won't help you in this proceedure. Instead, look at the belts to your left. The very top two pulleys are going to be (from back to front) your alternator which is close to the windshield and your supercharger pulley which is attached to a "nose". The "nose" is the part of the engine that connects the supercharger pulley to the top of the engine. This is the key area of interest for this proceedure. Now, I am going to take a break so that you can identify these items before we go on to Identify anything else....


Okay, if you are still reading this, I assume that you are now familiar with the Supercharger nose location. Going from front to back over the "nose" you will see a plastic cover about 2" wide and about 6" long. This is a wiring harness cover. It is actually two pieces, a top and a bottom. The top piece comes off similar to the large, main plastic cover that you removed in prior attempts. I believe that if you carefully lift the back (windshield) end up first, it should come off pretty easily followed by the front end.

This is going to reveal two things to you: the wiring harness that it was hidingOk that is how far I got and then I ran out of light:(
Actually ..no I didnt get frustrated, and I found your instruction very clear, I separated the two pieces, but it was to dark to see anything....but to compliment you on your instruction, Im proud to say I now know where my alternator is and a few names I didnt know 1 hour ago My neighbor came out and asked what was wrong, I guess seeing a women under the hood, most men tend to want to rescue them...lol....I told him im am doing my homework...hehe.
One of my pulleys in this area is making one hellofa noise though, **** I hope it can hold on this week.
Anyways I take this pretty seriously and will always give something a go, Ill talk to you guys tomorrow, Im going to dig a hole in the driveway so I can get under the car...I guess I should reinforce those walls too...lmao! (laughing my *** off!)
Thanks man!
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No problem, I am glad I could (possibly) help (we will see tomorrow). As for the pulley sound, if it isn't one of the two that I mentioned at the top of the engine, the most common pulley problems encountered would be the Idler pulley (which is the next pulley down from the supercharger pulley if you are following it down the back route of the belt, and the crank shaft pulley (the harmonic balancer). Neither of these are easy repairs. I had my harmonic balancer done at the dealer and it cost me $270 USD. That pulley is down at the bottom of the engine. The Idler arm (pulley) has some plastic internals that sometimes give out. it will make a rattling noise that sometimes sounds like it is coming from the supercharger nose. Mine is making a bit of racket now...but I will hold off on that one for a while.

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There'* 2 covers on the supercharger. You want the one on the passenger side....it'* smaller. It has wires running through it. Remove it, and the little channel it snaps onto, and look just to the rear of the 'snout' on the SC. You'll see a little brass plug about 3/8" in diameter, with a hex head recessed in it. That'* the little guy you want. From there, just follow my procedure in Techinfo!
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There'* 2 covers on the supercharger. You want the one on the passenger side....it'* smaller. It has wires running through it. Remove it, and the little channel it snaps onto, and look just to the rear of the 'snout' on the SC. You'll see a little brass plug about 3/8" in diameter, with a hex head recessed in it. That'* the little guy you want. From there, just follow my procedure in Techinfo!
yep, i think ill be ok...thanks
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He posted that back in June

He'* got a mighty fine SSEi now!
Duh, the light bulb just went on!
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Don't feel bad, Kimmers. I knew there was a plug somewhere when I bought mine, and couldn't find it in my maintenance manual. I hadn't found this place yet, so I had to hunt for the sucker. I knew there had to be one.

Next time around, you can teach the new guy, cuz it'll be fresh in YOUR mind!
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