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Old 11-20-2005, 02:14 PM   #1
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Ladies and gentlemen, please give me some input here.

As it now appears my idea of sleeving UIMs has met with some success, (I haven't hydrolocked either my engine or anyone else'*) I'm beginning to wonder if I have a viable product to sell on e-Bay.

I saw about 34 different auctions today for Series II uppers. Some are used manifolds in the $20-30 range, but most are new ones in the $95-110 range.

Please give me your input on how you think a repaired, sleeved upper might do. I'm thinking like $59.95 plus shipping.

If any of you were going to replace your upper, does buying a sleeved one (a lot cheaper) make more sense than just buying a new one? Would this be something you'd lay out your hard-earned cash for?

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Go for it, but be aware you are opening yourself up for liability if your product fails.... (sorry to be the downer here but just want to be realistic)
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other than the cost, whats the advantage of buying a sleeved one vs a new one? i havent kept up with this.
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LittleHoov: I sleeve the EGR port (which is plastic in the stock manifold) with stainless steel tubing. This prevents the burn-through and subsequent UIM failure so common in our Series II engines.

The sticky at the top of this forum explains in detail.
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Bob...I think what you have done is great. Also think CFootes advice should be looked at and thought about. Can you be held liable for problems or failures if someone does something wrong or one of the manifolds does let go?
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Bill: I'm not much worried about liability. I will inform each buyer that the UIM is bought at his own risk.

These are going to go to car guys who understand working on their own cars. I did think about copying my Chilton manual for instructions.
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Sounds good then. It'* a good lower cost solution that in the end probably yields a better long term than a new plastic one.
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If you're going to do that, I'd suggest that you incoporate yourself - start a corporation. It will limit your liability. Civil juries can do funny things...
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start a limited liability company instead of a corporation, similar to a corporation but without the lovely double tax and other things.
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Actually, an *-Corp is the way to go. Same protections of an LLC, but better tax benefits. An LLC is overrated severly when compared to an *-Corp. Unfortunately, the "LLC" term has become common language without anyone knowing the real benefits...

Nonetheless, Bob, I think your disclaimer would suffice if you're just planning to sell them on ebay. And, if you need a testimonial to be used in your ad I'd be happy to write one for you. PM me if you're interested.
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