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Old 03-14-2008, 06:45 PM   #1
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Well, I FINALLY got my 1992 Bonneville SSEi. The good news is that it runs (the previous owner said it didn't). The bad news is that the SES light is on and the paper clip method of pulling the codes doesn't work. The ALDL port has no connection in the "B" position, not even if it'* "upside down," as suggested in the TechInfo section. The other bad news is that the fan motor won't quit running, even with the key OFF and REMOVED and the door opened. It stops when I unplug the motor connection....
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a: Is there a different way to pull codes or am I bound for O'Reilly or Autozone?
b: What'* with the fan motor always on? A bad switch somewhere or a computer problem?
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I think you're looking at your connector wrong.

Go back again and make sure. If you are missing a pin in either location, nobody will be able to scan it.

On the fans, open your maxifuse relay center. The two relays closest to the center of the firewall are the high and low speed fan relays. One may be stuck. Disconnect them one at a time to see which one it is, then try swapping relays around. If the problem moves, the relay is bad.
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If there'* no pin B in the connector, there are only a couple of possibilities:
- you're looking at the connector wrong (if I remember right, there are only 2 pins in that row)
- the pin has been pushed into the body of the connector or completely out of it to the upper side, in which case you'd need to remove the connector to see the wires from the upper side
- the previous owner did something bad; let'* hope this isn't the case
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Thanks for the quick replies. I'll check out the relays tomorrow I hope. The codes are a different matter... turns out the seller was completely in the dark. He told me it was a '92, I assumed it was a '92, but when he brought over the title it'* a '94!
Well, for a running '92, leather, sunroof, heads-up display, etc., etc., etc., $500 wasn't a bad price. For a '94 it'* even better, although it does have lots of minor (I hope) problems--it pulls to the right driving down the road, feels like the torque convertor clutch locks (at the right time) but doesn't unlock when it'* supposed to (bogs down but doesn't die when you slow down. When you hit the brakes it disengages as it'* supposed too. Probably needs a new TCC solenoid), the radio comes on, shows the time and the frequency, but no sound comes out of the speakers. The passenger side tailight was full of water--even the turn signal light was full of water--the bulb itself was full of water and started to steam when I turned the turn signal on. It was blinking and steaming. Weird. I turned it off fast. In the trunk the spare tire well was full of water and the passenger'* side carpet was also wet. It doesn't look like water came in through the sunroof, but who knows? At least one of the screws holding the wing on the trunk lid was leaking, so water definitely came in through there. The trunk floor isn't rusted, so I apparently I caught that in time. The moisture in the carpet doesn't smell like anti-freeze so it'* probably not from a bad heater core. Somebody might have left a window open, although they were all closed when I got the car. And the bearing in the nose of the supercharger is making noise.
Ah well, it'* a $500 car.
Why would the radio apparently work and not make noise?
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You won't be able to pull codes with a paperclip. Last year for that was 93. You'll need access to a scanner capable of pulling from the hybrid 94/95 GM PCM'*.

Ask your radio problem in the Audio section. We'll stick to the other problems in this topic.
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Off topic, but the wet carpet is likely due to an eroded sunroof drain tube. The fronts are VERY brittle and can snap easy. I just replaced mine for this reason alone.
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If the spare tire well is full of water, then you probably have either a hole, or a leaking seam in one of your rear wheel wells. I had the same problem on two different H bodies. Or I guess your trunk seal may be leaking. But if I was you, I'd pell back some of that trunk liner and see if there is a hole in your wheel well. If it has been leaking from there then you will see dried up rusty water marks on your wheel well.
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Neither one is likely.

Water in tail light....tells me his tails are leaking water into the trunk. Very common thing to happen.
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Neither one is likely.

Water in tail light....tells me his tails are leaking water into the trunk. Very common thing to happen.
Its possible for there to be a hole in the wheelwell, heres a pic of the hole on mine on my 98 before the body shop fixed it.

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Ah. I keep forgetting about Nawthurn cars. Ain't gotta worry much about that down here.
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