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Old 07-06-2004, 01:55 AM   #1
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Hey folks,
First off, I'm new here, I've come across this place via google while I was looking for a way to get ECM codes without a scan tool...

Anyway, I drive a 92se and it'* been giving me problems lately, less than a month ago I replaced the fuel pump, and it seemed to work fine for a while (but now I'm second guessing myself and wondering if there was anything wrong with the pump in the first place).
When I tried to start my car yesterday morning, it just cranked and cranked and cranked but didn't fire up... (this is what was happening before I replaced the pump). I figured it had to be something electrical this time, so I popped the hood and pulled one of the sparkplug cables from the distrubor post and checked for a spark wiith a paper clip... sure enough, no spark...
I tried it on 2 or 3 of the cables, none of them were sparking....

So I went off in search of how to check the ECM codes, the Haynes manual wasn't too much help, but it got me off in the right direction. The only error code I'm getting is a 31, which is the PRND switch, and I've known about the problem for a whlile (the car won't start in neutral.) So I'm thinking this is completely un-related to my more serious problem of the car not starting.

So anyway, I've only been into the idea of fixing my own car for the past few months, but I really enjoyed replacing the fuel pump... my knowledge is limited though... So I ask of all of you share your ideas to what the problem is and how to repiar it...

I browsed and searched these fourms for about an hour before posting, and everyone seems really helpful, so I just might have a new spot to post online

Thanks in advance!!!

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Welcome, neighbor. I'm betting you have another code stored in there. Try this:

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/techinfo/?article=34

If there'* a problem with the ignition system, it should have a code. Get it fixed quick. We have a West Coast Meet on July 16-18 in Albany, OR. Stone'* throw for you!
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Nice to know there'* other Bonneville owners close by.

The article that you linked me to is the one that I read before I attempted to get the codes...
it just repeats 12, 12, 12, 31, 31, 31, 12, 12, 12, 31, 31, 31.
Should I disconnect the battery and get the codes, or will that reset them to all 12s?

BTW, Thanks for the speedy reply
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Ok.....no more code work. I'm convinced. You don't have a serious problem. Your PRNDL safety switch is preventing you from starting. Try 'jiggling' the shifter in park while you attempt to start.
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Once you get the car started drive over to http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=20702

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You guys are the best.

Anyway, I just ran out to try it... before I even touched the PRNDL lever she started....

Then I turned off the car and tried again, this time she just turned and turned, I tried jiggling the lever while I was cranking it, but nothing happened, after a try or two, I was able to get the engine to turn over in nuetral, but it still didn't fire off....

Should I keep working with the switch? I'm assuming the replace/repair wouldn't be costly if I do it myself. Or with the engine starting up once, and then not again should I be looking for something else?

Thanks!
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I don't get it. It'* acting like an ignition/interruptor problem, but your code doesn't back that up. I've gotta hit my books on this, but I can't until later today. Can someone beat me to it? I think the PRNDL switch should prevent it from cranking, not simply disable spark.

Anyone else? Gearheads?
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something that I failed to mention:

It had been dying from time to time while driving, I thought that replacing the fuel pump had fixed the problem... but I suppoe it didn't afterall..

Recnetly, it had been dying while going down a hill and making a stop at the bottom of it, with no less than a 1/4 tank of gas...

I don't think it'* the pump as I drove it for a couple of weeks after replacing it and it was driving just fine for the most part.

I'm off to work.
I'll talk to you all soon - lunch maybe
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That cutting off problem is typical in 92'*. Your tank isn't baffled like 93 and newer. This could have had an effect on your fuel pump, though. They don't like to run dry. I'd say we're talking about an unrelated problem.
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Quote:
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something that I failed to mention:

It had been dying from time to time while driving, I thought that replacing the fuel pump had fixed the problem... but I suppoe it didn't afterall..

Recnetly, it had been dying while going down a hill and making a stop at the bottom of it, with no less than a 1/4 tank of gas...

I don't think it'* the pump as I drove it for a couple of weeks after replacing it and it was driving just fine for the most part.

I'm off to work.
I'll talk to you all soon - lunch maybe
Alot of cars do that....
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