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Old 08-07-2009, 01:18 PM   #1
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I have a 1999 Oldsmobile 88 LS. It developed a knock, which started out as a marbly rattly sound. It makes both of the sounds in tandem right now, marbly sound on driver side of the engine, knock on the passenger side toward the bottom, around where the harmonic balancer is. The sound sounds exactly like metal smacking/spanking metal.

I'll tell you what I've tried already due to the massive amount of feedback I've gotten, but nothing has helped me out.

1. Changed harmonic balancer.
2. Changed alternator.
3. Changed oil/oil filter.
4. Changed timing chain/tensioner.
5. Replaced all exhaust gaskets.
6. Changed coolant.
7. Changed spark plugs/wires.
8. Dropped oil pan to check for trashed metal bits; found none.
9. Checked for exhaust leaks, found none.
10. Disconnected belt (no accessory pumps running) and ran the car for about 10-15 seconds. Sound remains.
11. Checked the flexplate. No discernible cracks.
12. Pulled 1,3,5 spark plugs. Spark plug 1 white tip is noticeably darker than 3 and 5.
13. Tried disconnecting spark plug wires from coils as car was idling to see if I could isolate the sound to a cylinder. Sound remains no matter what.

I am at a total loss as to what this noise is. It disappears at 3000RPMs and above, and comes back as soon as you let off the throttle and the RPMs go under 3000. I've been told that although it sounds like rod knock/rod bearing, it can't be, because when I checked the oil pan, I didn't find any real metal bits in there (just some extremely tiny flakes, which look normal), and because ever since that sound started, I've driven well in excess of 1000 miles. If it was a rod bearing or something like that, the engine would have been dead by now. Also, I don't think it'* the flexplate, as the sound is not random. If it were the flexplate, it would be a random noise; this sound is perfectly timed (as in engine moving parts timed), and is perfectly reproducable.

Here is a video of the noise.

YouTube - noisy car

I would appreciate any and all help. I'm on the verge of saying it'* the lifters and/or the pushrods, but I need some feedback first. I'm feeling pretty certain that it'* the lifters, especially after reading this:

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11831

Or could it be the knock sensors going bad?

Thanks in advance!

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While this is like forum number 6...I'm still stumped.

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Oh..and I'm in Enfield CT aka 06082 stop on in and we'll figure it out.
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While this is like forum number 6...I'm still stumped.

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As are you. Posted anywhere I haven't responded yet?
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Yeah. One place: Hardforums. You have to have a subscription to get into the automotive section. They are just as stumped.
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Seriously though and to get your thread back on track. Where are you located?

Thing that has everyone stumped is you have a noise and no other symptoms. You drive it everyday and it runs and runs.
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Seriously though and to get your thread back on track. Where are you located?

Thing that has everyone stumped is you have a noise and no other symptoms. You drive it everyday and it runs and runs.
I'm in College Park, MD 20740.

I'm beginning to notice some roughness and slight loss of power. Other than that, the car runs beautifully.
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Could it be water pump bearings going out? Or could it be the idler pulley because my neighbors car sounds somewhat the same and it was here pulley. Good luck
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Could it be water pump bearings going out? Or could it be the idler pulley because my neighbors car sounds somewhat the same and it was here pulley. Good luck
I wish it were that simple. I indicated in my initial post that I already pulled the belt (no accessory pumps running) and started up the car. The noise is still there.
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Sorry to tell you... It is a rod. Good luck...
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