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Old 04-13-2006, 12:52 AM   #1
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well if you guys have been paying atention to the NEBF threads the you would know that on my way back I had my AC compressor crapout on me about 50 miles (give or take) into the drive, with help from Geoff(jimmyfloyd), Nick(ditchboy) and Ryan(bandit) (and the parts locators back at Boostys) we were able to get it back on the road. only to have the NEW compressor go bad about 5 miles down the road, we then un pluged the wires from the compressor to stop the clutch from engaging and allowing it to free wheel. and allowing me to get back on the road AGAIN. I did get me the last 400miles home but got progresivly louder and louder (bearing/clutch griding)

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http://media.putfile.com/New-compressor-gone-bad the new compressor take not of the shavings flying out ( i'll pos another vid ot it tommorow)
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Now my question is, Do you think that this would have something to do with the Newer style ECC that Randy and I installed @NEBF? or might it just be a fluke that the first one broke from old age and the second broke from pour craftsmanship on the rebuild (it was a rebuilt AC compressor) or might it have ot do with the fact that i am running with a empity AC system?

I dont know how the new ECC would couse the clutch to fail (after all its mecanical and only works one way right?)
I can possibly see it being a fluke but it seam hard to beleave.
And i cant see how the system being empity would cause the clutch from burning out like it did

what might yo uguy be thinking, i dont want the next one to **** up aswell
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Your harmonic balancer is next to go. Look at those cracks.
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Your harmonic balancer is next to go. Look at those cracks.
OMG....one problem at a time please :(
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we then un pluged the wires from the compressor to stop the clutch from engaging and allowing it to free wheel or might it have ot do with the fact that i am running with a empity AC system?
Peter, you were supposed to leave the new compressor disconnected electrically. Boosty made that clear on Sunday. Must have been lost somewhere in all the stuff going on at what not. If you run the A/C system w/o refrigerant & compressor oil (dry), the compressor will sieze up. Subsequently, that will take out the clutch. When I told Boosty to make sure to tell you not to connect the electrical connector I mentioned to the other guys & Tracy that were still at NEBF that it would definitely fail again down the road if electrical connector left connected. Sorry if there was a miscommunication.
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we then un pluged the wires from the compressor to stop the clutch from engaging and allowing it to free wheel or might it have ot do with the fact that i am running with a empity AC system?
Peter, you were supposed to leave the new compressor disconnected electrically. Boosty made that clear on Sunday. Must have been lost somewhere in all the stuff going on at what not. If you run the A/C system w/o refrigerant & compressor oil (dry), the compressor will sieze up. Subsequently, that will take out the clutch.
Exactly, Mark...

Sorry Peter, but that'* what did it. The A/C compressor depends on the flow of refrigerant to carry the PAG oil that lubricates it. You could still try to return that rebuilt if it came with a 30 or 90 day warranty...
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During trhe conversations with Geoff, it was mentioned that you should not connect the electrical and didn't even need to connect the hoses, although it would be best to keep the system clean.

After you guys had it come back on again, Geoff mentioned one connector had been plugged in to keep it from flapping around loose. I think the system was still set to on or defrost, therefore it came on again and trashed the new compressor.
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we then un pluged the wires from the compressor to stop the clutch from engaging and allowing it to free wheel or might it have ot do with the fact that i am running with a empity AC system?
Peter, you were supposed to leave the new compressor disconnected electrically. Boosty made that clear on Sunday. Must have been lost somewhere in all the stuff going on at what not. If you run the A/C system w/o refrigerant & compressor oil (dry), the compressor will sieze up. Subsequently, that will take out the clutch.
Exactly, Mark...

Sorry Peter, but that'* what did it. The A/C compressor depends on the flow of refrigerant to carry the PAG oil that lubricates it. You could still try to return that rebuilt if it came with a 30 or 90 day warranty...
Who plugged an empty Compressor in? Never ever do that.. Depending on the ECC selection it can cycle the compressor on even when trying to keep warm... Without any oil in the compressor like stated above PAG, of if the system still had Residues and the old R12 oil then you may have wanted Ester oil... But I agree the ECC could have engaged the compressor but would have done it in a manner thinking it was low on refrigerant..

Also, the Reman Compressors you can get at the auto parts stores generally suck hardcore... I have seen only one that worked like it was supposed to and would freeze you out of the car... It too killed off a compressor clutch in my friends car( started smoking and squeeling ) while they were on their way back from a 1300 mile trip... Clutch went to crapp in Gerogia... He always had a Bypass belt in the trunk, and bypassed the compressor drove the rest of the way back..

Sorry to hear the compressor went on you..

And I agree the Balancer is next..

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ehh take it back under warrenty, and dont screw it up the 2nd time
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The older R-12 compressors would'nt cycle on at all without a charge but it sounds like yours did. There was a pressure switch built into them.
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Peter was that a Used Compressor? Could it have had issues before hand?

Peter I just watched the Vid and I have seen that happen to a series of the Reman Compressors from Autozone and advanced...

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