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J Wikoff Apr 17, 2004 04:49 AM

Heat related lean condition... UPDATE
 
When my car has been running for a while and it's warm outside (as in the problem doesn't show up in the winter) my car will lose all power at WOT. After everything under the hood is "heatsoaked". At that time, my A/F gauge drops off the lean end and stays there until I let off. Power is pretty normal until 3/4 throttle. The engine will miss very bad if I stay on the gas. This problem has been around a long time. A hi-flow cat made it a little better last fall. No codes.

Injector or fuel pressure regulator, maybe?

Either way, the injectors and FPR are getting replaced tomorrow (Saturday).

OLBlueEyesBonne Apr 17, 2004 10:42 AM

Be sure to let us know on this. I have pretty much thew same issue in Ol Blue. I know if my fuel pump hadn't died at the track last year I'd have been deep into the 15's (had a 2.2 60'). I changed the fuel pump, but still had these lean at WOT issues where she'd just bog and the more I let off the more I could feel the power coming back.

BonneMeMN Apr 17, 2004 12:36 PM

Maybe you need to look at your MAF, and then adjust the AFC? I bet you're getting slight detonation. Maybe colder plugs too....

J Wikoff Apr 17, 2004 02:23 PM

This has happened before and after AFC and with several different settings. Other situations seem to run how they should with respect to A/F. I think the lean condition is causing some knocking when I keep on it. My plugs are 2 ranges colder. I've tried 3 range colder plugs before, same result then they fouled. I don't thik it would be the pump, as it wouldn't get really hot. I'm going out to swap the other components I mentioned now.

I used to think it was a coil, but that wouldn't kill the fuel flow, would it? Unless the PCM had something to do with it.

BonneMeMN Apr 17, 2004 02:48 PM

Maybe the Injector O rings aren't liking the heat.

Do you have a heat sheild on your intake? That'll cause heat soak much quicker if you don't.

J Wikoff Apr 17, 2004 05:43 PM

New injectors now (my original injector tips were awful, not just carbon buildup, but a few tips were slightly melted), with good o-rings. Intake is shielded.
Mostly same problem, but have not had an extended drive yet.
After discussion with dad, it could be my fuel pump.

Don't know about the fuel pressure regulator yet. I ordered a series II NA regulator, as per someone's suggestion, and it does not look like it will fit. The tip seems too short and narrow. The o-ring probably wouldn't seal.

EDIT: BTW, the coils ohm out fine when they are cool. Haven't had a chance to test them hot yet.

A Bonnie Canuck Apr 17, 2004 08:50 PM

I am having the exact same problem right now and earlier I had pics on the club showing my injector tips being melted as well . I put them back in and it runs fine except for the hot problem. My next step when I get to it is the ignition coils. They are still original on mine and so they are 12 years, 250 000kms old. As the coils heat up the coils may be becoming weaker and when WOT is put on it requires a very good spark under those conditions to jump that gap. I know when the car is cold it has oodles of power and it is only when it gets hot. I have yet to check any of the resistances, although maybe this week or so. I will keep an eye on this thread :)
Bonne chance

BonneMeMN Apr 18, 2004 12:15 AM

Coils aren't always very heat tempermental. :wink: How old are your wires?

J Wikoff Apr 18, 2004 03:01 AM

Wires are a year old, MSD 8.5mm.

J Wikoff Apr 18, 2004 10:37 PM

After a ten minutes into a two hour drive, it goes real lean at any throttle that gets boost. At a certain point, it starts slowing down, so that the cruise keeps trying to give more, but only slowing the car down. At this point, I think it has to be the pump or regualtor.


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