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Old 07-30-2004, 03:23 PM   #1
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I got a check engine light after installing my new intense pcm,so I decided to put my new autotap to use ,the dtc read P0441,EVAP System No Flow During Purge, anyone have any insight as to what might have caused this?
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Not sure if this might have something to do with the PCM swap or not. Check to see that both vacuum lines are connected to your manifold on top of the SC, and check to see if they're flow-restricted or pinched off. (this is the round cannister under your intake/filter).
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Thanks for the quik reply ,i'll go out and check the lines now.
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Ive checked the lines averything seems fine.The engine check went away for awhile and now its back,same codes,Is it safe do drive with this code for a few days?
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DTC P0441 Evaporative Emission (EVAP) System No Flow During Purge

Circuit Description
The EVAP purge valve allows manifold vacuum to purge the canister. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) supplies a ground to energize the EVAP purge valve (purge ON). The EVAP purge valve control is Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) or turned ON and OFF several times a second. The duty cycle (pulse width) is determined by engine operating conditions including load, throttle position, coolant temperature and ambient temperature. The duty cycle is calculated by the PCM and the output is commanded when the appropriate conditions have been met:

Engine coolant temperature above 25°C (77°F).
After the engine has been running about 2 1/2 minutes on a cold start or 30 seconds on a warm start.
The vehicle is operating in closed loop fuel control.
Canister purge commanded duty cycle varies according to operating conditions determined by mass air flow, fuel trim, and. intake air temperature. Canister purge will be disabled if TP angle increases to above 33%. Canister purge will be re-enabled when TP angle decreases below 29%.

The EVAP purge vacuum switch is a normally closed switch positioned in the purge line between the canister and the EVAP purge valve. The EVAP purge vacuum switch will open when vacuum increases to greater than 5 inches of water in the purge line. The PCM monitors the EVAP purge vacuum switch signal to determine of the evaporative emission control system is working properly. If the switch is closed (no purge flow) when the PCM is commanding the EVAP purge valve ON, DTC P0441 will be set.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
No TP sensor, IAT sensor, MAP sensor, ECT sensor, or MAF sensor DTCs set.
BARO reading is greater than 70 kPa.
Engine Coolant Temperature is less than 114°C (237°F).
Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor indicates an ambient temperature between 10°C (50°F) and 70°C (158°F).
The difference between ECT and IAT is less than 10°C (18°F).
Engine speed is between 600 rpm and 5000 rpm.
Canister purge PWM is greater than 85%.
EVAP vacuum switch remains closed (12 volts signal at the PCM).
The above conditions are present for longer than 4 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The PCM will illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Failure Records data.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
The PCM will turn OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.
The History DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
Check for the following conditions:

Poor connection at the PCM or the EVAP purge valve. Inspect harness connectors for backed out terminals, improper mating, broken locks, improperly formed or damaged terminals, and poor terminal to wire connection.
Damaged harness. Inspect the wiring harness for damage.
If the harness appears to be OK, observe the EVAP vacuum switch display on the scan tool while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the sensor. A change in the display will indicate the location of the malfunction.
Malfunctioning or damaged canister. A malfunctioning canister may intermittenly allow charcoal into the EVAP purge valve, vacuum switch, and associated lines causing a DTC to be set. Use the following procedure to check for a carbon release condition:
Turn OFF the ignition switch.
Remove the EVAP purge valve. Refer to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Solenoid .
Remove the EVAP vacuum switch. Refer to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Vacuum Switch .
Lightly tap the EVAP purge valveand (if applicable) the vacuum switch on a clean work area looking for carbon particles exiting either of the vacuum ports.
If no carbon release is evident, reinstall the components and continue with the DTC P0441 diagnostic table. If carbon is being released from either component, continue with this service procedure.
Remove the EVAP canister from the vehicle.
Ensure that the main cylinder valve is turned off on the J 41413 EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station.
Disconnect the black hose that connects the nitrogen cylinder to the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station at the pressure regulator by unscrewing the knurled nut on the regulator. No tools are required to remove the black hose from the regulator.
Using a section of vacuum line, connect one end over the open threaded fitting of the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station pressure regulator.
Connect the remaining end to the EVAP purge valveend of the EVAP purge line at the vehicle and turn on the main nitrogen cylinder valve. Continue to blow any debris from the purge line for 15 seconds.
Return the EVAP Pressure/Purge Diagnostic Station to its original condition by re-installing the black hose that was disconnected in step 8.
Replace the following components:
The EVAP purge valve. Refer to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Solenoid .
The EVAP canister. Refer to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Replacement .
The EVAP vacuum switch. Refer to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Vacuum Switch .
Proceed with the DTC P0441 diagnostic table.
Reviewing the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to be set occurs. This may assist in diagnosing the condition.

Test Description
Number(*) below refer to the step number(*) on the Diagnostic Table.

This vehicle is equipped with a PCM which utilizes an Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM). When the PCM is being replaced, the new PCM must be programmed.

DTC P0441 - EVAP System No Flow During Purge Step
Action
Value(*)
Yes
No

1
Was the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check performed?
--
Go to Step 2
Go to the Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check

2

Important
If DTC P1655 is also set, go to DTC P1655 Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Purge Solenoid Control Circuit .



Important
Before proceeding with diagnosis, visually and physically inspect EVAP system vacuum, purge, and vapor hoses for damage or improper connections.


With the engine idling, observe EVAP Vacuum Switch on the scan tool.
Command the EVAP purge valve ON with the scan tool.
Does the EVAP Vacuum Switch display Purge with the EVAP purge valve commanded ON?
--
Go to Step 3
Go to Step 4

3
Review and record scan tool Fail Records data.
Operate the vehicle within Fail Records conditions.
Using a scan tool, monitor Specific DTC info for DTC P0441 until the DTC P0441 test runs.
Note test result; does scan tool indicate DTC P0441 failed this ign?
--
Go to Step 4
Refer to Diagnostic Aids

4
Disconnect the purge hose to the EVAP canister at the EVAP vacuum switch.
Plug the purge line fitting at the EVAP vacuum switch.
With the engine idling, command the EVAP purge solenoid ON with the scan tool.
Observe EVAP Vacuum Sw. on the scan tool.
Does the scan tool display Purge?
--
Go to Step 5
Go to Step 6

5
Check the purge line to the EVAP canister for damage or improper connections. Refer to Emission Hose Routing Diagram .
If a problem is found, repair as necessary.
Was a problem found?
--
Go to Step 19
Go to Step 13

6
Connect a vacuum gauge to the purge line fitting at the EVAP vacuum switch.
With the engine idling, command the EVAP purge solenoid ON with the scan tool.
Does the gauge indicate vacuum greater than the specified value?
12 in. Hg
Go to Step 7
Go to Step 8

7
Turn OFF the ignition switch.
Disconnect the EVAP vacuum switch electrical connector.
Turn ON the ignition switch.
Observe EVAP Vacuum Switch on the scan tool.
Does the scan tool display Purge?
--
Go to Step 14
Go to Step 9

8
Install the vacuum gauge in the vacuum source line to the EVAP purge valve.
Engine idling, observe the vacuum gauge.
Does the gauge indicate vacuum greater than the specified value?
12 in. Hg
Go to Step 10
Go to Step 15

9
Turn OFF the ignition switch.
Disconnect the PCM.
Turn ON the ignition switch.
Check for a short to voltage in the EVAP vacuum switch input circuit.
If a problem is found, repair as necessary. Refer to Repair Procedures in Electrical Diagnosis.
Was a problem found?
--
Go to Step 19
Go to Step 18

10
Turn OFF the ignition switch.
Disconnect EVAP purge valve electrical connector.
Connect a test light between the EVAP purge valve connector terminals.
Turn ON the ignition switch.
Using the scan tool, command the EVAP purge valve ON.
Is the test light ON?
--
Go to Step 16
Go to Step 11

11
Check for an EVAP purge valve wiring problem:
EVAP purge valve ignition feed circuit open.
EVAP purge valve ignition feed circuit shorted to ground.
EVAP purge valve control circuit open.
EVAP purge valve control circuit shorted to voltage.
If a problem is found, repair as necessary. Refer to Repair Procedures in Electrical Diagnosis.
Was a problem found?
--
Go to Step 19
Go to Step 12

12
Check for poor connections at the PCM.
If a problem is found, repair as necessary. Refer to Repair Procedures in Electrical Diagnosis.
Was a problem found?
--
Go to Step 19
Go to Step 18

13
Replace the EVAP canister. Go to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Replacement .


Important
Check for carbon release into the EVAP system. Refer to Diagnostic Aids.


Is action complete?
--
Go to Step 19
--

14
Replace the EVAP vacuum switch. Go to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Vacuum Switch


Important
Check for carbon release into the EVAP system. Refer to Diagnostic Aids.


Is action complete?
--
Go to Step 19
--

15
Locate and repair the cause of no vacuum.


Important
Check for carbon release into the EVAP system. Refer to Diagnostic Aids.


Is action complete?
--
Go to Step 19
--

16
Check for the following conditions:a
Damaged or restricted EVAP purge hose between the EVAP purge solenoid and the EVAP vacuum switch.
Poor electrical connections at the EVAP purge solenoid.
If a problem is found, repair as necessary. Refer to Repair Procedures in Electrical Diagnosis.
Was a problem found?
--
Go to Step 19
Go to Step 17

17
Replace the EVAP purge valve. Go to Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Solenoid


Important
Check for carbon release into the EVAP system. Refer to Diagnostic Aids.


Is action complete?
--
Go to Step 19
--

18
Replace the PCM.


Important:
The replacement PCM must be programmed. Go to PCM Replacement/Programming .


Is action complete?
--
Go to Step 19
--

19
Review and record scan tool Fail Records data.
Clear DTCs.
Operate the vehicle within Fail Records conditions as noted.
Using a scan tool, monitor Specific DTC info for DTC P0441 until the DTC P0441 test runs.
Note test result; does the scan tool indicate DTC P0441 failed this ign?
--
Go to Step 2
System OK
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Wow ,more than enough info ,thanks Foghorn
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Did you use the Knock Control Module from your OEM PCM in the Intense PCM?

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Originally Posted by Foghorn
Did you use the Knock Control Module from your OEM PCM in the Intense PCM?

Cheers,
.Not sure what the module is or even looks like ,pulled out my pcm and installed Intense'* and hit the road.
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Did you use the Knock Control Module from your OEM PCM in the Intense PCM?

Cheers,
.Not sure what the module is or even looks like ,pulled out my pcm and installed Intense'* and hit the road.
Look on the top of the PCM and you'll see a cover held on by 2 Torx fasteners. Remove the 2 screws and the cover. Inside you'll see a black EEPROM like device in a white holder. On one side there are 2 white tabs, squeeze these towards each other and lift out the EEPROM.

Put the OEM part in the Intense PCM. Be sure to mark the EEPROM so you'll know which one is which.

This is important on a 97 because that module is tuned to your knock sensors and because the Crankshaft Position Variation Learn Proceedure (CASE Learn) is not performed on this model, this is the method to avoid high RPM knock (or KR) because of a mismatch of components.

Be sure to do this!!!!!!!

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I also just recently installed an INTENSE pcm should I plug in the old eeprom also? Will it effect any of the programming that INTENSE did to the pcm?
Thanks for a quick reply because I have to send back my old pcm for the core charge.
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