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Old 10-01-2002, 11:46 AM   #1
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Hey

Just got a jet black 97 bonnie sse, with 68k miles on it.

Beautiful car, and lots of fun. I used to be a ricer, I admit... I traded in my Corolla with a huge wing, for a real car ; )

Couple questions:

1) Which transmission do I have in it? 4T60? 4T65? How is the transmission in it? Durable to hard use, or should it be babied?

2) My Bonnie does the infamous shaking at 60-70mph, and some intermittent "stumbling" or hesitation at 2k RPM. I'm confused about what I've read regarding this, does anybody have some good suggestions?

3) How can I disable the DRLs? Yes yes, I know it'* for my own good, but still...

Think that'* it for now, thanks a lot for any responses!

-Daron
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First off.. welcome to the forum... and welcome back to the real cars.. hee hee...
To look under techinfo and you'll find how to disable the DRL. U would have the 4t60 tranny.. they are quite reliable... I too am experiencing shutters around 70 kmh ( when it goes into O/D ). I don't know if it'* due to the ignition system or something worse ( in the tranny ). I will be replacing the ignition system in Spring ( going to save all my pretty pennies and do it all at once when spring kicks in ). . The tranny don't really need to be babied, but a good preventive step you should take before any serious mod is to change the T-stat to 180 ( to prevent head gasket from boiling and warping the heads ) and a tranny cooler. Then the fun begins.
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U would have the 4t60 tranny.. they are quite reliable...
I thought the first year of the 4t65 was '97? They had the series 2 n/a in 95 and the */c in 96. 97 was supposed to be the first yera with the series 2 and the 4t65 tranny, but I could be wrong.

Everything else Drifter said I know is right on the money. Keep the car cooler with a tranny cooler and a 180 t-stat and it will last that much longer with heavy driving.

As for the shudder, I know this has been discussed before but I don't think there is any 1 solution. Check tire tread, alignment, bearings. etc...

Oh, and welcome to the club. I got a '95 SSEi and I wouldn't give it up for the world, well maybe a nice Ferrari.
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Hey

Just got a jet black 97 bonnie sse, with 68k miles on it.

Beautiful car, and lots of fun. I used to be a ricer, I admit... I traded in my Corolla with a huge wing, for a real car ; )

Couple questions:

1) Which transmission do I have in it? 4T60? 4T65? How is the transmission in it? Durable to hard use, or should it be babied?

2) My Bonnie does the infamous shaking at 60-70mph, and some intermittent "stumbling" or hesitation at 2k RPM. I'm confused about what I've read regarding this, does anybody have some good suggestions?

3) How can I disable the DRLs? Yes yes, I know it'* for my own good, but still...

Think that'* it for now, thanks a lot for any responses!

-Daron

sparkplug wires wires wires wires wires (for the hesitation & shuddering) This is very common, and the solution is usually...you guessed it. Spark plug wires.
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Once again, we have a change in the pontiac lineup, and we're not sure when it happened....4T65 in 97? I'm going to build a timeline. When I get ready to start collecting data, I'll post, and everyone can give me what info they know. I'll be covering 1986-present ONLY......for starters.
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The easiest way to tell what tranny you have is to look under the car, it'* stamped on the pan.

I'm unsure which tranny you have myself, 1997 was the year the 4T65E came out. They had them in the supercharged SSEis and GTPs...but I don't think the NA 3800s got them until 1998.

So...for a definite answer, take a look. And report back what it has if you can, I'm interested myself.



As for how to treat the trans, just do regular fluid/filter changes every 15-20k or so. The 4T60E in mine is original and never been touched, except for that.
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A far easier way is to go to the trunk, open it & look on the RPO label on either the deck lid or spare tire cover. The "M" codes are Trans codes. Ignore the "MX0" code as this is for OverDrive option. If it reads "M13" then it'* a 4T60-E trans. If it reads "M15" then it'* a 4T65-E trans. Doubtful though as the debut of the 4T65-E trans WAS IN 97!
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His car IS a 97. Which brings me back to the timeline idea.......I think I'll get started on the stupid thing.
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His car IS a 97. Which brings me back to the timeline idea.......I think I'll get started on the stupid thing.
Need any help?
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Yup. Gonna. I'm gonna break it down into categories....body changes, drivetrain (series 1 vs 2, tranny model), exhaust resonator.......that kind of stuff, but I'll only post one category at a time, and ask for input. After I determine what'* gospel, I'll add it to the timeline, then post the next category.

Sound like a plan?
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