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Old 09-20-2002, 05:05 PM   #11
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Most of my comment was a joke. I would never pull the e-brake unless I intended to make a bad situation worse and yes because it could be fun.

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Old 09-20-2002, 05:23 PM   #12
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I might be wrong, ain't no ABS expert.. but as far as I know, when you slap the E-brakes on, it only pushes out one of the rear pads on each rear tire out right ?? If that was the case, wouldn't the ABS sense that the rear tire is locking up, and therefore releasing less pressure on the other brake pads ?? Causing warping of drums and improper brake wear. Is there a quick way to simply disable ABS on the rear and not the front ??
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We get Crazy winter up here in canada.. but I had so much fun with my non ABS 89 Cavalier Z24 especially in winter. Doing donughts with the aid of emergency brake that is actually a hand brake instead of the dumb *** foot brakes . Actually I started my drifting lessons in winter and on my Cavalier Z24, now in wet and snow condition, and even dry condition ( if I go fast ), I could send my Cavalier Z24 into a sideway drift and slide right through a turn.. ( tee hee.. on most occasions.. tapped a few curbs with my rear end and over slid a few times.. no damage other then ego.. and no I am not an idiot to do it on a major road ). Haven't tried it in my Bonnie yet.... hummm... winter is coming soon though
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If your e-brake causes the rear to lock up, the abs will see it, and release brake pressure to the rear only. It watches all 4, and treats them as independents. If your left rear locks up, for instance, it will only 'pulse' that one.

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I miss the snow. I used to do 4wd spins on the spot. I had my blazer spinning on the spot so fast I roasted the awd transfer case. Actually I had worn down to pavement so that was the problem. LOL but the warrantee covered it. Also the Suzuki samurai is a blast in the snow. With aired down 31'* or 32'* it left less of a mark than a person’* footprint. I miss the snow. Ill upload some old pics some time.

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I might be wrong, ain't no ABS expert.. but as far as I know, when you slap the E-brakes on, it only pushes out one of the rear pads on each rear tire out right ?? If that was the case, wouldn't the ABS sense that the rear tire is locking up, and therefore releasing less pressure on the other brake pads ?? Causing warping of drums and improper brake wear. Is there a quick way to simply disable ABS on the rear and not the front ??
No, the ABS doesn't work on the e-brake. The e-brake is mechanically activated. The ABS system modulates (pulses) the hydraulic fluid in the closed system. The brake fluid will pulse, but since the rest of the pads/shoes/standard brake pedal aren't used, you will not feel it nor will the brakes activate the this manner. Hope this clears up the issue.

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E-brakes are ALL mechanical cable'*. If you pull the e-brake, yes, the wheel speed sensor will sense the lockup and will pulse the fluid pressure to those wheels, but it wont make a difference because the wheel will still be locked mechanically.

Think of the term "emergency" in being that you blew a brake line or your master cylinder blew a leak and you lost all your fluid front and rear. The idea is that with the e-brake you could still stop the car completely mechanically with the power of your hand, or in the case of our cars, foot

Another mis-conception people have (mainly from watching movies), is that if you ever loose your brakes, you have to panic and slam your foot down (or pull up on) that e-brake as hard as you can to stop. Well since its all mechanical, it is possible to of course click it one by one and slow down / stop the car under control which is the idea.
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I got that part about ABS working due to hydraulic pulsing, and I also get the pic of e-brakes working Mechanically.. my question is in conjunction. If I was to lets say have a hay day out in the snow or rain.. or dry.. or whenever ( as long as I"m not caught ha ha ha ) and decide to try an induce the car into a spin / drift, by using the e-brakes.. it mechanically locks up only one pad of the 2 on each side ( that'* the question here ).. and for whatever reason needed to slam on the brakes, causing the other pad to get pushed onto the drum.. sees the lock-up.. ABS pulses ONLY one pad, would that actually cause the drums to warp ?? It would probably cause uneven wear between the 2 pads, but would it do anything else ?? Other than make my passenger crap in their drawers... ha ha ha...
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I like drifter'* driving style.

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I like drifter'* driving style.

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Thanx Speedguy... it'* the quickest way to get people to shut up in your car ( next to booting their candy *** out ) and it sure makes screaming kids behave since they're having a fun ride ( and no.. I only do it with kids in the car when I"m on a dead stretch of road or a mall parking lot after hours. Great role model I am... ha ha ha ha As long as they don't drive anything with "Type R" or "SIR" on it...
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