95 tranny
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Originally Posted by jr's3800
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jr3800, my replacement trans came from a 1997 Olds 88, which also has the same 7ASW 4T60E as a 1997 Bonneville n/a. There'* no difference in durability from a Buick/Olds/Pontiac on the parts they share. In the case of the transmission (and just about all of the steering, suspension, engine, exhaust), it'* the same part #* across the H body platform. I don't think your 95 has the pulsewidth modulated TCC lockup (which GM set up to make smoother engagement of the TCC. It basically induces controlled slippage during lock and unlock so you don't feel the engagement. This also makes the TCC a very weak point of my 1997 model year 4T60E. ) THAT is why your transmission is still in one piece.
Hmm well scratch that... Looking at the service manual, it shows the black wire in the 7 pin connector as the PWM solenoid..... Hmmmm
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I spent about 20 minutes with the parts guy who was kind enough to give me printouts, part numbers, and prices for these parts for my '95 SLE. They clearly show a PWM solenoid (8683535: $75.64) for my trans. A PWM solenoid is also shown and described in my '92 FSM. So, I still don't know what makes the '95 Bonneville a "year and make specific trans," but I don't think it is the use of the PWM solenoid.
I do believe that the trans cannot be swapped with others successfully for a simple reason. Honest junkyards will tell you that it is this way. The Car-Part.com search engine will also show you this when you search. These are the people who stand most to profit from interchangeability, and they will not recommend it. We would just like to know WHY we can't do it! Or what we need to change to make it work.
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i think that it all comes down to matching up the # from the orignal trans to the new one. If they match they you have a winner, anything else is up to chance. I think alot of smaller people/parts yards dont know about the interchangeability of the trans.....
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every trans with a different model number has slight variations on what is used inside of them. for instance, on the L60, it can change the following:
valves in valve body
input shaft
torque convertor
stator shaft
output shaft
reaction carrier
input carrier
bell housing
boost solenoid
boost sleeve
and that'* just off the top of my head. there'* also different band apply servos, and things of the like. and i'm sure there are things that after almost three years, I still don't know about. It would take a good long time to make a list of everything that'* different between models...
valves in valve body
input shaft
torque convertor
stator shaft
output shaft
reaction carrier
input carrier
bell housing
boost solenoid
boost sleeve
and that'* just off the top of my head. there'* also different band apply servos, and things of the like. and i'm sure there are things that after almost three years, I still don't know about. It would take a good long time to make a list of everything that'* different between models...
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Originally Posted by mkaake
every trans with a different model number has slight variations on what is used inside of them. for instance, on the L60, it can change the following:
valves in valve body
input shaft
torque convertor
stator shaft
output shaft
reaction carrier
input carrier
bell housing
boost solenoid
boost sleeve
and that'* just off the top of my head. there'* also different band apply servos, and things of the like. and i'm sure there are things that after almost three years, I still don't know about. It would take a good long time to make a list of everything that'* different between models...
valves in valve body
input shaft
torque convertor
stator shaft
output shaft
reaction carrier
input carrier
bell housing
boost solenoid
boost sleeve
and that'* just off the top of my head. there'* also different band apply servos, and things of the like. and i'm sure there are things that after almost three years, I still don't know about. It would take a good long time to make a list of everything that'* different between models...
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yup. kind of helps to explain how the same transmission that is in an H2 is in a corvette, huh? They're technically the same trans, but the similarity ends somewhere after the powerflow and how it works...
i'll see if i can dig up a list of what was different on those years for the t60, but don't get your hopes up...
i'll see if i can dig up a list of what was different on those years for the t60, but don't get your hopes up...
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Originally Posted by mkaake
yup. kind of helps to explain how the same transmission that is in an H2 is in a corvette, huh? They're technically the same trans, but the similarity ends somewhere after the powerflow and how it works...
i'll see if i can dig up a list of what was different on those years for the t60, but don't get your hopes up...
i'll see if i can dig up a list of what was different on those years for the t60, but don't get your hopes up...
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i have no problem with secrets, the problem is with age
a lot of the stuff that was done in 95 never found it'* way to the intra-net... they weren't nearly as computer dependant then. so while it'* possible that the records are out there somewhere, there'* always the possibility that the information you want to know is on a single piece of paper in a drawer in some guy'* cabinet that hasn't been cleaned out in 4 years...
that'* the most challenging part. stuff from about 98-up is easier to get a hold of - a lot of it is on the intra-net. not all of it though...
a lot of the stuff that was done in 95 never found it'* way to the intra-net... they weren't nearly as computer dependant then. so while it'* possible that the records are out there somewhere, there'* always the possibility that the information you want to know is on a single piece of paper in a drawer in some guy'* cabinet that hasn't been cleaned out in 4 years...
that'* the most challenging part. stuff from about 98-up is easier to get a hold of - a lot of it is on the intra-net. not all of it though...
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the quick search yielded this info for the 99 t65. gettin closer...
RPO Difference:
M15: 245mm torque converter
MN3: 258mm torque converter
MN7: 258mm torque converter and heavy-duty gearbox
now keep in mind, generally speaking, a different torque convertor means a different stator shaft and input shaft, depending. this info was part of a broad overview. i'll see if i can get more detailed info...
RPO Difference:
M15: 245mm torque converter
MN3: 258mm torque converter
MN7: 258mm torque converter and heavy-duty gearbox
now keep in mind, generally speaking, a different torque convertor means a different stator shaft and input shaft, depending. this info was part of a broad overview. i'll see if i can get more detailed info...
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Originally Posted by jr's3800
Bill from what I can gather the 1994,1995 and 1997, I'll assume 1996 4T60-E as well, are all Pulse Width Modulated, and frome what I can gather they all have the same pinouts..
In a few days if you like I'd be more than happy to scan and send you some info
In a few days if you like I'd be more than happy to scan and send you some info
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Originally Posted by bill buttermore
Originally Posted by jr's3800
Bill from what I can gather the 1994,1995 and 1997, I'll assume 1996 4T60-E as well, are all Pulse Width Modulated, and frome what I can gather they all have the same pinouts..
In a few days if you like I'd be more than happy to scan and send you some info
In a few days if you like I'd be more than happy to scan and send you some info