95 SSEi Oil Pan Removal....
 

Gonna swap the OP gasket out, and just wanna know if I can just unplug the sensor and drop the pan oput the bottm or do I actually gotta remover a bunch of crap?

Re: 95 SSEi Oil Pan Removal....
 

Loosen the sensor.

Sweet......Any special tools or just the standard magical 10mm socket?

No special tools needed. Just be careful of the sensor

I was just under my '99 yesterday checking it out for an oil pan swap. I hit a rock on the freeway and put about a half-quart dent in it.

If it's like mine, there are 18 bolts around the edge. Two you can't see without removing a plastic cover on the rear (transmission end) of the engine. then it will drop right off with no obstructions.

Also, the oil pan bolts are metric but have a 3/8" hex head (sae) bolt head. WTF?

Next, wait til you see what the oil pan gasket costs! $50! So make sure you slop it up good with blue goo so you don't have to do the job again.

Good luck, and please be sure to post in this thread when the job's done and tell us how it went.

Where the hell did you buy your gasket? I paid 15 bucks for mine....or somthing like that.....Or I could get the 32 kit which wasn't worth anything more or less than the 15 gaskets I got.....No 50 dollars. Either way, thanks for the run down Bob, and I'm prolly gonna do this next weekend even though I just changed the oil, it'll prolly be better for the engine to change it soon and get a lot of the old oil out. Also I'll be sure to take lots of pics and document everything for the inquiring minds around here :)

Now that I think about it, is there anything that I should do as a preventive maintanance if I'm gonna have access to the lower end right there?

The series I engine uses a flat silicone type gasket...

The series II's are a diffrent world ;)

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On my 93 SSEi, I had to undo one of the oil cooler lines to get to one bolt...the one on the very tip of the oil pan, right in front of the harmonic balancer. If you have that cooler, there is no other way around getting that bolt out w/ exception of taking off the harmonic balancer...something that should not be done unless absolutely needed. And I want to say it was a 20 mil wrench.

When I dropped mine, all I did was unplug the oil level sensor. I didn't see any reason to remove the sensor.

That's what it was looking like to me...but I wasn't sure. I didn't see any cooler lines in the way, of course I didn't look too hard around the harmonic balancer area.

Keep up posted LakevilleSSEi,since I believe I may have to do it on my 95 SSEi also.
Thanks

I will, as I said earlier, it'll be next friday/saturday that I tackle this one.

The series 2 or 96+ SC cars have a plastic windage tray gasket. Whereas the 92-95 series 1 SC cars have a cork/rubber gasket.

There's the price difference. ;)

WElcome to 3 hrs ago.... :)

Nate, the information was to explain the price difference in more detail for other members that didn't know. Thanks for the wise crack as usual ;)

For those of us that didn't know.........Thanks Bill! ;)

I know....See I just gotta keep Boost on his toes....Otherwise he get's dull.

While I have been under my car allot, I have never been under a 95 soooo if yours is the same set up as mine, then the only thing i recommend is removing the oil line that goes to the oil filter mount. There was a bolt in there that couldnt be reached easily.



https://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e...anRemoval3.jpg
https://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e...anRemoval2.jpg

Could that have been done with a swive socket or no?

94 I guessing is gonna be about just the same as 95 I would imagine.

94 would be the same as 95 TMK, however I'm not seeing in the picture where the bolt is in the way.

Once in a while a line is close or almost in the way and a little gentle persuasion will move it enough w/o needing to remove or disconnect it.

The line was in the way of the bolt and in order to get to it, we had to remove the oil line. We tried going at it with an open end wrench as well as the swivel you see on the extension while the line was on and there was no way to get at it without risking damaging the oil line by bending or puncturing it.

Its not that hard to remove, just make sure you can see the bolts when your turning them so your not turning the line instead of the bolt.

Gotchya....

You maybe a one of a kind case with that one, but we'll see how it pans out when I head under there this next weekend.

So if I understand this correctly, on the 95 SSEi that oil pan gasket should only cost around $20.00 US. shipped and it's a cork gasket? And the re & re should take about 1 to 2 hours after the car has been put up on jack stands?


Thanks

same here

Was that on the 99....or the 94 GAMEOVER?

Same here. There was absolutely no way to get to that front bolt without undoing that line. Even if there wasn't a bolt there, undoing that line would make it much easier to position the oil pan for reinstall.

The oil level sensor probably gets caught up on the windage tray in the series 2 only since you guys all have series 1 and no windage tray.

Good information on that oil line as well....keep the good info coming.

Nate.. if you can, please snap some pics as you go through the process for the gearhead files.

Thanks

My Oil pan gasket was rubber. Part number 12350249

Ours have windage trays too....but built into the oil pan itself, not removable like you make the S2's sound like. In fact, I can get a pic up here of the oil pan later today. (Came off of a 92 SE to replace my 93 SSEi pan that someone used as a jacking point prior to my ownership). What got me was even the standard 3800 had a windage tray in it as well...

Great to have Sandrock..please do. :D

Found this on Ebay...for the EARLY FWD 3800s, and shows windage tray. The S1's from 92-95, the windage tray looks different but mounted up the same way.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OIL-P...spagenameZWDVW

I'll get mine up here when I come home from work...'bout 6ish pm my time.

Oh so thats what a windage tray is. My 94 pan has one and most likely the 95 as well. I may have a pic of mine and I'll post it if I find it when I get home.

Also known as baffles. These trays keep oil from pooling to one side of the engine when taking a corner, which in turn keeps the oil pickup submerged in life-sustaining oil and lowers the chance of oil pressure drop. It also keeps the oil from being whipped up by the wind generated by the crankshaft at higher rpm's. Usually only found on high-performance builds.

And that, my friends, is your technical lesson for the day. 8)

Will do....

Anyways......Good technical lesson for the day Sandrock, I already knew what the answers were to the windage trays or "baffles"......but I don't think I could have put it like you. :)

Ok, here is the pic of MY oil pan. Keep in mind this came from a S1 N/A but is the same as the S/C.

https://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j...neville007.jpg

Bill, if you need any other pics PM me and I will get ya what ya need.

The LN3's or Vin C engines also have that windage tray, same goes for the L27 ;)

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Mines the same, but it looks ugly after coming out of the parts washer. Almost looks like dirt was just wiped off of it or something.

https://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e...ketSealer2.jpg

I'm jealous.. the S2 setup is not pretty like the S1.

Got a spare oil pan last night :roll: As I'll be doing a gasket soon myself.

Thanks for the pics..

Bill....Put your S II pics in here for comparison on the SI / SII job.