That'* cruel Don, cruel...

Good idea about the loan-a-tool possibility though. I'll look into it.

Interesting, any idea when GM changed the bottom bracket ? Easy way to find the right one is to look for a early GM Long snout (no CHMSL) Minivan (Lumina, TranSport, Silouette ) with 3800. Easy to spot in a yard and old enough for parts to be cheap. Is really 92-93 but only years the early nose had the 3800 (insignia on front fenders).

Well, by the sound of it, they changed the bracket when they went to the series II design. So any series I engine should have the old bracket, and any series II engine should have the new one, unless I am mistaken...

I don't think they ever put the series II in a minivan, so those are a safe bet, for sure.
I will be sure to let you know how it goes. I don't know if new plugs will happen right away... Should I adjust the gap to the specs of later models which would have had the type II system? Of course, if I'm going to pull all of the plugs out and re-gap them, I may as well put new ones in their place. Anwyay, I guess the gap question is still relevant...

Off Topic: I like the LE models, personally. Not as many gadgets to die on me (well, in my case anyway).

Well, my purchase of that coil/module fell through. So right now that project is on hold. I'll keep looking on the 'For Sale' forum, and on ebay. Whenever it actually happens, I'll do a write-up.

What'* in Daytona, a good yard? I've got a good junkyard near me, but they never have any decent looking coil/module assemblies. There was one, last time, but it was on a car that was hit in that corner, and the battery exploded all over it...

If all else fails, I'll check again when the snow melts in the spring.

Of course, if you DO make it out to Daytona... I'm looking to pay no more than around $35-40, shipped. Any more than that, and I'd be better off just waiting until spring and finding my own. I think... It all depends on how they price it out at the yard. It'* a place where you wrench it off by yourself, so it really does depend on what they think it is when you pay for it.

What'* that place in FL.. in Crystal River [or around it]? It'* like the largest wrecking yard in the country or something? I remember seeing tons of stereo equipment in the waiting room, like $300 Head Units for $60.. stuff like that. If you live hear Ocala FL, it wouldn't be much of a drive, and it'* well worth it. Although they don't have any 87-91 SSE I/P'* :(.


-justin

Wow. I think that'* got my yard beat. Keep me in mind if you ever do make it back out that way...

When the Bonne dropped the center cam bearings a few years ago, I had a "complete" 3800 drop shipped from that Crystal River place (suspect there is only one that large) after a friend'* recomendation.

Was told it was from a 90 Bonneville with 36,000 miles. $450

On delivery, just abut every sensor that wasn't missing (like the MAF) was broken (and it is hard to break a knock sensor). The coilpack was cracked, one valve cover had a hole in it, and the front exhaust manifold was bent (found that out on first fire, fortunately was relatively easy to swap). The little water pipe under the intake was torn. Serial number traced to an '90 but an Oldsmobile .

They never returned any e-mail or phone call. All of that nonwithstanding after a tune up (new top end, water pump, replaced manifold and sensors) it has run very well for 50,000 miles/six years and is still strong so was what I needed but not what I thought I bought.

I would not mind visiting that place just for a day out some time if a caravan forms.

You can't go to the yard. All they do is strip the cars of anything useful, and crush 'em. I will agree, their service wasn't the best. When i went there to try to find an SSE I/P, the guy laughed at me, because those things are so rare, and I wouldn't be able to touch one for under $200. I thought that was rude.. because I bought one for $125, that works flawlessly.. except the compass. Also, phones recieve #1 priority. If you are in the middle of a conversation with the guy in person, and the phone rings, forget about getting service from him until he is off the phone. That pissed me off, so I just left when he did it to me twice.

Their parts are beyond extensive.. my dad restored [or.. at least was in the process of restoring] a '78 Ford F-150, and if he ever needed anything, they were the place that had it. But he too, complained about their service, and went elsewhere with his business. We used to live in Crystal River, FL.. just in case you didn't know .


-justin