kristie: Are you satisfied with the performance of the 860? I knew about the onboard relays, and to me that made it sound a lot easier to install... but when you think about it, all the other wiring you have to do, wiring up a few relays doesn't add that much time overall. Does the unit have a standalone temp sensor, or does it hook onto the factory ECC temp sensor?

Basically the vibe I am getting here, installation will be no different between brands, and really the only difference between all these units is range... with the 860 up top.

Over all, the performance is great. There is a stand alone temp sensor, and it plugs into the 'brain' just like everything else. The only issues I have had with it so far is that it keeps falsing on the hood/trunk trigger, but I am pretty sure that it'* being caused by the bypass module I installed. I had to hard wire all of the doors because of it too.

I disconnected both of those last night. If it triggers those again, I'll know it'* the bypass unit. I'm about to RMA that b**ch.

I don't think your car will need one of those though.

Nope, none of that fancy security stuff on the car right now. I do have the factory alarm still in the car, with all the doors, locks, hood, starter kill, etc all wired up, so install should be a breeze.

Are you refering to the PK3 bypass? If so, it should have absolutely no bearing on weither or not the alarm would false at any trigger. If you are having problems with that the next step would be to relay isolate them. As far as hood/trunk trigger goes, (not having installed one of your alarams mind you) they are seperate wires. If the car does not have a factory hood pin/latch wire to connect to, I would only suggest using a tilt switch instead of the typically included pin swtiches. As the vehicle ages I see far fewer problems with rusting and corrosion, which could prevent the remote starter from operating at all.

Hey Blackice, thanks for the advice. The bypass module that I used is a combo one. It is the GMDL-BP from bypasskit.com. It uses a databus connetion to the car to control the dome lights, parking lights, trunk release....things like that.

I had issues with it not showing that the doors were open, but it was crazy. If I disarm the system, it wouldn't register that the door had opened, so the alarm was constantly rearming itself every 30 seconds, unless opened the door, closed it, then opened it again. I removed the door trigger connection to the bypass and tested it seperately so I know for a fact it wasn't sending ground when it was supposed to.

So now, every little quirk I am quick to blame that thing.

I have the 791xv, its a good alarm, I had tilt sensors installed incase my car gets jacked up for someone to try and get the rims off, but hasnt happend yet (knocks on wood) I think they would steal the whole car first, but back to alarm I have been happy with it only one issue with the remote but It was beacuse I dropped it, the viper warranty covered it,

Install was not to bad even though all I added was the hood sensor and trunk sensor, I didnt want to play with all the wires in my ssei, to many for me, also the range isnt that great if your in a mall or something your never going to get the signal, but if its parked in your drive by your house or road , keep it sitting on a table near by youll here it beeping away if theres trouble,

best of luck

I've decided! I'm going with the 860. I think it'* the best for the money, IMO. Going to order it tomorrow night.

I received the alarm this week, and got to installing it. So far so good. Right now it'* just setup for keyless entry, and trunk pop... and it knows when a door, trunk, or hood is opened. All I really did was just use all the wiring from the factory alarm, which made it very easy. The hard stuff is still to come though...