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DrJay 12-25-2004 09:24 PM

DrJay's Performance rebuild...PART TWO!
 
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Midnight Express 12-25-2004 09:34 PM

Git er Done !! :twisted:

OLBlueEyesBonne 12-25-2004 09:36 PM

This is really gonna give some of the bigger SII guys some real thinking to do!!!
So, a 11 second Series I Bonneville whooping Z06's just might become a reality!!!! Minus broken rods or pistons. :D

Sol 12-25-2004 11:06 PM

Your gonna make the CGP guys angry! :lol: Good luck with the build!

dbtk2 12-25-2004 11:20 PM

I think you're going to run into the problem that your blower is actually going to become a restriction instead of adding power. That little tiny M62 can only flow so much air. I think you're gonna need a bigger blower. Zooomer is putting out 410whp (so a little over 500 crank hp) and his P&P'ed M90 is maxed out. So, your M62 is gonna max out way before that...

Shawn

DrJay 12-25-2004 11:38 PM

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driverjohn2005 12-25-2004 11:57 PM

ok, i think i need to come over for a day and learn from these things that your doing. I just got a CAI and i thought i was fast :lol: :roll:

llBlazin_llLo 12-25-2004 11:57 PM

There is a point when droping a pulley size is not going to help you because the M62 is not efficent enough anymore. If that wasn't the case you'd see people with M90's running 2" pulleys and such. Just my .02

One ? - the boss ok'd it? elaborate please?

Anyway you look at it good luck!

OLBlueEyesBonne 12-26-2004 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by llBlazin_llLo
One ? - the boss ok'd it? elaborate please?

I'm assuming his GF, or someone else who has a hand on the $$$ coming and going.

dbtk2 12-26-2004 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by DrJay
Hmm..not sure I follow what you mean by "maxed out." If I make even 1psi then the supercharger is obviously flowing more than the engine is. I'm fully expecting a substantial drop in pressure, but if I felt so inclined I could use a 2.0" pulley...could you elaborate a little?

So lets say the supercharger is making 1psi. You would have so small of a pulley on it so that it would make that 1psi, that if you took the blower off the difference in air temperature would make up for the 1psi boost you lost, you follow? A 2" pulley is going to create so much heat because it brings the blower out of its efficiency range, that it would be more worthwile to run a larger pulley due to the temperature of the outlet air. This is why you don't see very many people running smaller than a 2.55" pulley on an M90, because if you go smaller than that, it isn't going to be efficient enough to make more power. Yeah, you could throw a 2.35" pulley on it, and spin it faster, and yeah, it would move more air, but the air is so hot that you are actually losing power because you are having to pull timing to make up for the huge amounts of heat the blower is producing. To make the kind of power you are hoping to make, you're gonna have to go with a bigger blower. Personally, I would put a M112 on it, but an M90 would at least be better than the M62. Or just go with a different power adder altogether.

Shawn

DrJay 12-26-2004 12:20 AM

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DrJay 12-26-2004 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by driverjohn2005
ok, i think i need to come over for a day and learn from these things that your doing. I just got a CAI and i thought i was fast :lol: :roll:

haha any time buddy

BonneMeMN 12-26-2004 12:25 AM

Your M62 is essentially at it's peak already. dropping to a 2.0 will run it hot i bet.

The m90 doesn't need nearly as many revs as the M62 for equal boost, because it's longer. If they dropped to a 2" pulley they'd pop rods out of every which way.

llBlazin_llLo 12-26-2004 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by DrJay

Originally Posted by OLBlueEyesBonne

Originally Posted by llBlazin_llLo
One ? - the boss ok'd it? elaborate please?

I'm assuming his GF, or someone else who has a hand on the $$$ coming and going.

Wife :wink:

LOL got ya, I think we have all been there once or twice!

macho_mike21 12-26-2004 12:35 AM

you also have to worry about the SC spinning itself to death and dumping crap into your engine.

Sounds like a good plan. GET A GOOD SHOP!!! The IC that BonEvil is working on...that would help your situation out alot. Maybe allow you to drop to the smaller pulley.

Screw the M112. GET A TURBO!

DrJay 12-26-2004 01:05 AM

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BonEvilSSEi 12-26-2004 08:02 PM

im workin on the IC guys....Christmas just drained my credit cards along with the new brakes on the Buick the new exhaust on the Buick and the rockers for the Bonne.....JEEZ I need funds!....so im thinking the prototype will hopefully be finished by february...I still got alot of work to do...Im still thinking of pulling the heads and LIM and gettin the whole thing P&Ped and getting SBC valvesprings (when I get the rockers) thats gonna cost a few bucks, and then I still gotta find a good CNC place in town to do my IC plate...then theres fabrication to do on all the stuff to make it fit. SOOOO hurry up and wait!!!

mkaake 12-26-2004 11:21 PM

let's try to get it right the first 3 times

:twisted:

or in under a year

:twisted:

but in all seriousness, best of luck, i hope you run into far fewer problems than your last run. maybe a 10 pager this time instead of a 20 pager?

oh, and what about that tranny? I don't remember everything you had done (tranny-wise), but are you comfortable with that kind of power?

DrJay 12-27-2004 12:05 AM

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dbtk2 12-27-2004 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by DrJay

Originally Posted by OLBlueEyesBonne

Originally Posted by llBlazin_llLo
One ? - the boss ok'd it? elaborate please?

I'm assuming his GF, or someone else who has a hand on the $$$ coming and going.

Wife :wink:

dbtk2 - I totally understand your point, and I'm sure there will be a point at which the supercharger will be nearly useless to me. But would you agree that although it won't be the most possible, there will be a significant gain to be had with this? Maybe I'm missing something but suppose I keep the pulley the way it sits, maybe adding the stroker takes it down to 5psi. Would it still not qualify as a 4.3l with work done, and a 5psi supercharger? I completely agree an m112 would be a better choice, and I'd love to do it but doing a stroker and an m112 conversion at the same time would never get past the 'boss'. :lol: I'm sure at some point I'm going to upgrade the supercharger, but since my main reason for doing this is out of fear of the rods snapping, doing the m112 first is out of the question.

If you have Yahoo or MSN chat I'd love to see, in real time, what your thoughts are.

I have MSN IM but I haven't used it in like a year or so. I'd have to download it again, but if you wanna chat I can do that...

However, what I would do in your situation, is browse the classifieds on club gp. Look for someone selling a used M90. You can usually find them in the neighborhood of $1-200. Then you would just have to fab up an adapter plate or something, and you would be making a lot more power. I don't think I would be messing around with the M62. Its just gonna be holding you back. Not only that, but the gain you will get from just switching blowers will be pretty big by itself.

Shawn

BonneMeMN 12-27-2004 01:00 AM

Some of those Garret Units in Fiero's (maybe some GP's) are very stout. However, just be good to this one and it should last...

dbtk2 12-27-2004 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
Some of those Garret Units in Fiero's (maybe some GP's) are very stout. However, just be good to this one and it should last...

Garret??? They make turbo's... You're talking about a transmission right? Maybe you mean the Getrag? If so, they put that in a LOT of cars (thats what my Calais has), but those are all manuals. If thats not what you're talking about, don't mind me, I'm just confused.

Shawn

DrJay 12-27-2004 02:59 AM

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