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franois 06-02-2007 08:47 AM

cut-off switch
 
On our old car when we go to the track,we install a cut-off switch on the alternator,because at hight rpm the alternator rob horsepower.We make the 1/4 on the battery,can we make thet on a ssei 1994???On a old chevy 350 the rpm at idle raise 200 rpm .If we can make it on a ssei 1994,which wire we install the switch??just for the run at the track.

Bonneville92V688 06-02-2007 08:51 AM

No, most fuel injected GMs from like '86+ rely highly on the alternator, and the car will most likely stall out or die when you cut the alternator off, as the PCM needs a signal from the alternator.

franois 06-02-2007 08:59 AM

the signal is not from the battery?but from alternator??if the alternator fail the car stall immediatly???we can't drive on the battery for few distance??

Bonneville92V688 06-02-2007 09:07 AM

Pretty much from experience, when I disconnected the positive cable from the alternator on my '94, the car stalled with a known, good alternator.

willwren 06-02-2007 09:32 AM

This is why a little battery corrosion on the cables can kill your car.

You don't want to anyway. Your ignition coils need the highest input possible to produce the hottest spark possible. With a battery only, you'll have a weak spark.

franois 06-02-2007 09:38 AM

I just ask this because we can make that on our old car ...we installed a 1000 amp bat and we make the run without alternator (I think the car needed a litlle voltage because we don't have pcm) it was just for 1/4 ......sorry for my english

willwren 06-02-2007 09:39 AM

Amps will get you nowhere for spark. You step up the voltage through a coil (transformer) and the current drops proportionally to the voltage gain.

Voltage is what allows you to jump a spark gap, not current (amps).

willwren 06-02-2007 09:51 AM

Let's put this another way. Based on a known coil:

The MSD 8224 coil has a turns ratio of 80:1

At 12VDC that equates to a spark voltage of 960 V.
At 14VDC (typical alternator output) that voltage is 1,120.


15-20% hotter spark. I'll keep my alternator.

Greyhare 06-02-2007 10:19 AM

Let's look at this.

200A * 14v = 2800W = 3.75Hp

So even a 200A alternator at full load is pulling less than 4Hp.
Even the hottest MSD ignitions are pulling less than 10A at 6000rpm.
During a run at the track (lights, AC, stereo all off) the alternator has less than 50A load.

50A * 14v = 700W = 0.94Hp

This is less that the run to run variation you will see on a dyno.

The extra weight of the bigger battery costs as much as the gain from the alternator shut off.

Technical Ted 06-02-2007 10:21 AM

The ICM boosts the voltage going to the coils, so spark output is a lot more than 1,000 volts. Somewhere around 30,000 volts IIRC. So at 15% you'd be more like 30,000 vs 34,500 volts.


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