Oldsmobile When starting new posts, please specify YEAR, MAKE, MODEL, ENGINE type, and whatever modifications you have made.

Crankshaft Seal Confusion

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-29-2018, 06:55 PM
  #1  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
pjmia96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
pjmia96 is on a distinguished road
Default Crankshaft Seal Confusion

I have a 1990 Oldsmobile Delta 88 with the 3.8 LN3 3800 Motor. My crankshaft seal is leaking oil and I am confused which seal to use. I have replaced the seal once before because it was leaking and I used a Timken 710162 Seal, which needed to be pounded into the timing cover with a socket. That fixed the oil leak for a short time and now it is leaking again. I went and bought an AC Delco 12582313 Seal. I heard that the AC Delco seal apparently does a better job sealing, but it looks different compared to the Timken seal. It looks like the AC Delco seal doesn't have the outer rim that the Timken seal does.

Can someone shed some light on this?
Did I buy the wrong seal?

Thank You,

Matt
Attached Thumbnails Crankshaft Seal Confusion-timken.jpg   Crankshaft Seal Confusion-timken-2.jpg   Crankshaft Seal Confusion-gm-seal-1.jpg   Crankshaft Seal Confusion-gm-2.jpg  
Old 05-29-2018, 07:10 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
rjolly87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 7,270
Received 457 Likes on 359 Posts
rjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant future
Default

I would attempt exchange with the retailer you got it from.

Looking at part numbers on RockAuto has me believing the ACDelco Unit is a 2 piece unit, the rubber (which you have) and then the white sleeve (white plastic?).

Every iteration of the part number I search looks like the part you pictured on the right, and I haven't found anything that looks like what you have pictured.

Also, brief scan indicates that the same seal is used on all 3800 iterations, from LN3, to series 3, plus also possibly LG3 (pre LN3) and 3300 engines.
Old 05-29-2018, 07:16 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
rjolly87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 7,270
Received 457 Likes on 359 Posts
rjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant future
Default

I found this listing:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-P...ss!88011!US!-1

I guess this is where the picture is borrowed from. Did you actually order this or have the part in hand yet?

Their pictured unit is not consistent with anyone elses photo, so either the unit they grabbed for pics has a problem, or they have much bigger issues to sort through.
Old 05-29-2018, 09:27 PM
  #4  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
pjmia96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
pjmia96 is on a distinguished road
Default

The plastic white sleeve pops right off, I think it is just on there to keep the seal from getting miss formed until it is time for installation. Yes I have the AC Delco Seal in hand.
Old 05-29-2018, 09:34 PM
  #5  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
pjmia96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
pjmia96 is on a distinguished road
Default



Old 05-29-2018, 09:45 PM
  #6  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
pjmia96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
pjmia96 is on a distinguished road
Default

This one has me stumped. When you click on the Part Number of the Timken and AC Delco on RockAuto it shows that both seals fit similar model vehicles. This is strange.
Old 05-29-2018, 10:35 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
rjolly87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 7,270
Received 457 Likes on 359 Posts
rjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant futurerjolly87 has a brilliant future
Default

I get similar results when I search the AC Delco part number.

Hopefully someone can chime in that has more experience with this.

I tend to ignore leaks as much as I can...
Old 05-29-2018, 10:54 PM
  #8  
Senior Member

True Car Nut
 
Tech II's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Worcester, Ma.
Posts: 2,878
Received 1,084 Likes on 832 Posts
Tech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond reputeTech II has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Have you checked for grooving in the shaft of the balancer?

What did the original seal look like?
Old 05-30-2018, 09:16 AM
  #9  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
pjmia96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
pjmia96 is on a distinguished road
Default

The Balancer is only a year old but I will still check for grooving. I changed that seal over 4 years ago and can’t seem to remember which one came out originally.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
GunsOfNavarone
General GM Chat
3
11-11-2014 07:41 AM
jbtech
1992-1999
4
10-14-2008 08:44 PM
mrbell83
1992-1999
7
09-30-2006 08:01 AM
driverjohn2005
1992-1999
7
09-17-2003 06:19 PM
Allmachtige
Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning
19
08-15-2003 09:23 AM



Quick Reply: Crankshaft Seal Confusion



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:08 AM.