Michigan drivers question
 

Tonight I got cited for going 20 over, yes it was stupid of me but I wasnt thinking, no I was not under any influences just lovefeeling my car accelerate. Does anyone have an idea of what my ticket will cost? This is the first citation that I will be charged for.

your looking at i think 4 or 6 points..and probably in the 150 dollar range..idk only had one ticket for 16 over and it was 90 bucks so its probably gonna be 90-150 ish bucks

Mine was knocked down to impeading traffic by the officer as it was my first offence..aka no points and no insurance raise..but same amount of money

I dont understand the points system

me neiter i think its 0-9 over is 2 points10-16 over is 4 and 16 and over is 6 i cant remember tho i may be wrong

2 words. Traffic lawyer.

If this is your first offense, they might reduce it down to failure to obey traffic control device or something like that. They just want your money, and aren't as concerned about putting points on your license. 20 over is quite a bit, at least here in NY. 10-15 over you could probably get away with talking to the DA yourself, but 20 warrants legal counsel, since its borderline reckless driving. If 20 over is counted as a reckless driving offense there, talk to a lawyer ASAP. I got a speeding ticket years ago in my Regal. Officer "said" I was doing 75 in a 55, but told me he would cite me as 72 so it didn't fall into reckless driving territory. I got a lawyer to reduce it to failure to obey a traffic control device.

Always go to court and plead not guilty. I got a $180 reckless driving knocked down to $45 failure to signal reduced speed and no points. Well worth the time.

Well me and people at work have had discussions about this with their tickets and they say If i try and fight it from a bigger violation like that and the officer shows up it wont get any better.

Another thing Never Sign the Ticket !!! By doing so you are entering a contract. hahaha..

I get on average 3 tickets a month....... I never pay a single one

The chances of the cop showing up are nearly ZERO. Why? Because they can't get out of work to go to court, and if it's on their off time, they don't get paid. They don't care, they write it, and they forget it.

was it a State Trooper or Highway Patroll? or was a Townie/City Kitty?

Staties and Highway Patroll are usually way to busy to bother with traffic court issues such as your's. Even if it was a Townie as long as you didn't do anything to make yourself more memorable than any of the other cars he'll have ticketed most likely he/she won't be showing up.

Believe you me, some of the Troopers I know will go out of their way to make sure they show up in court if you gave them any sort of flack.

Exactly why you shut your mouth and take your ticket. never, ever argue. That's what court is for.

exactly :w3 even if you KNOW you are in the right, respect the officers and it'll go alot easier in the long run.

Ok, city car, it was unmarked but it was dark and If I had seen them I would have slowed down sooner. I thought honesty would help which it did a little bit, but I admitted to having a "led" foot so thats what it said on the ticket, I dont think I could plead guilty to something I admitted to on site.

See I have always been told to NEVER admit to anything !!

Take the ticket tell the officer to have a great day and thats that !

Fight the ticket
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If you admit to speeding
the officer writes that in his notes
if the officer shows up for court
he reads his notes !

you're screwed LOL

Another thing you can do is ask to see the radar display ! Most times they will have cleared it or not locked it in prior stopping you !! If they can not show you the legally can not write the ticket !

Never Admit to anything ! ;)

Well I'm not sure where you reside but the police here have radar units in the vehicle that detect your speed even when they are travelling. I was already slowing down and I saw his headlights, (crown vic) so I didnt know about all of these guidelines.

Its usually the same.. they have to prove it if you ask, Other wise they could be handing out speeding tickets to anyone !! if the unit is not able to be removed they will in most cases bring you back to the car and show you !!

I have gotten out of tickets just that easily !

Never provide information. Do you know how fast you were going? Not sure officer. Be polite, answer with yes, no, or I'm not sure. Take the ticket, and argue in court.

Well all he said was "Do you know why your stopped?" And I replied "Yeah" "You were goin 82 back there, why you driving so fast?" "I have a lead foot" I will surely remember to ask to see the displayed number if it happens again.

The comment "Lead Foot" could of gotten you a Careless driving fine as well !!

Officer "Do you know why I stopped you?"
You "Why No Officer"
Officer "Well you were speeding"
You "No way??? Seriously"
Officer "Yes 82mph"
You" Do you mind showing me the Radar??"

Never say Sorry (Thats Admission of Guilt) Never Admit to speeding, Never say... Damn Lead Foot LOL

Well I shall remember all of this if any of it happens again.

Cops in NY and some other states don't even need radar. They go to training classes and then can perform what's called a speed estimation.
They can literally stop you based on their observation of your speed, and their "training" and give you a ticket solely based on their "guesstimate".
And yes, it holds up in court.
I have friends that have gotten in big trouble, and paid huge fines based on what supposedly was a speed estimation, with no radar unit to back it up.
How you like them apples? :eek:
And nowhere in NY law anyway, are they required to show you the radar. I asked nicely, and was told I didn't have any right to see it. Almost landed me a reckless driving charge.
And yeah, I live in a one traffic light town, that has part time officers, but has a Hemi Charger, an Expedition, 2 9C1s, and a K9 unit. Oh, and they just installed plate reading and capturing software/hardware on all the units. :nm
NY is one of the most police happy states I've ever seen. Even in the middle of nowhere.
So, your laws may (and probably do) vary.

I hear you on the "Cop Happy"... But the timers can be beaten in court LOL.

I stand corrected, the US supreme Court has said they do not !!

but Calibration dates for the radar must be present in court. and written on the ticket.

Fight it !!

But isnt it the officer's word over yours? So if Iasked to see my speed displayed, couldnt he say i have noright like what silver said up there?

Yes the US Supreme court has said they do not Have to show you !! But the officer has to include the calibration date on the ticket and or provide that information in court at the time of a hearing.

If I were to have had a 00+ bonneville could i have blamed my speed on the mph/kph button that I've seen in them? "Officer I thought i was going 55 but I guess it was set to kph"