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Old 01-15-2006, 05:28 PM
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Well, ever since I put the new o2 sensor in my car back in August or September I've been getting intermittent 'Check Engine' lights.
Never would come on when I had access to a scanner, until yesterday in Grand Forks, ND. I had just pulled into the Advanced Auto parking lot when the light came on so I left the car running and had them bring out their Actron CP9140.
They pulled 3 codes:

P0131
Oxygen Sensor
Signal Is Too Low

P0171
Fuel Trim
Sensor Signal Lean

P0629
Pass Key
Frequency Invalid

The last code is understandable -the VAT'* system wires were snipped as it wouldn't allow me to start the car at the last National Bonneville Club Meet in Rockford, IL.

The others really just tick me off.
I drove home from Grand Forks (210 miles) at 75-80 mph, all highway, on a little over half tank.
The next half tank consisted of 25% in town, and the other 75% highway, and it got me a grand total of 80 miles.
In other words, in town, at low speeds the car is sucking gas up like it'* nobodies business. I did give the car about 4 full throttle runs up to 30-35 mph, but that shouldn't take up more than 1/10 of a gallon for each of those.
So what the heck is going on -the CE light comes on primarily when the car is idling when warm (190-205*). I can get the light off if I go full throttle for a mere second, restart the engine at speed, put back in gear and coast for 3-5 seconds (hitting the throttle during this time keeps the CE light on).

Anyhow, is there a warranty on these o2 sensors when bought from a GM dealer? I know Bosch and a couple other brands have 1 YR warranty'*. This AC/Delco o2 sensor has no more than 10,000 miles on it and less than 5 months.
In other words this was a spendy 02 sensor, which has been causing problems all along, starting the day I put it in the car.
I am ordering a new one this week, but before I do is there a warranty on it so I don't throw it away -$81 2-3 times a year is too much to be spending on o2 sensors for a Pontiac Bonneville if you ask me.
If the next one does the same thing I am going switch over to some other brand with a warranty.
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When my O2 sensor went I would also get the SES light once the car was warm. Replaced it and never saw it again. I got my O2 Sensor on ebay. AC Delco for $19.99, and it'* still just fine.
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hmmmm just a thought, are you running e-85 fuel by any chance? every once in a while when gas prices spike i fill up a tank of that stuff considering its 1.69/gal vs like 2.something for regular gas

when i use e85 the car gets worse gas mileage and when it idles for a while while warm the ses light comes on but like 10 secs later after you press the gas it goes back off.

just a hunch thats all.
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Originally Posted by DarkShadow
hmmmm just a thought, are you running e-85 fuel by any chance? every once in a while when gas prices spike i fill up a tank of that stuff considering its 1.69/gal vs like 2.something for regular gas

when i use e85 the car gets worse gas mileage and when it idles for a while while warm the ses light comes on but like 10 secs later after you press the gas it goes back off.

just a hunch thats all.
e-85? Not me -went to a gas station in Grand Forks where I had gotten 102 unleaded last year -the pump still has the 102 unleaded race fuel sticker , but just above that there is a freshly place E-85 sticker so I confirmed it with the attendant before I pumped.
Otherwise -nothing but 92+ octane goes in my car unless the best I can at that point is 91.
My car is SC, and lightly modded to where it should really have 93-94 octane.
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Originally Posted by DarkShadow
hmmmm just a thought, are you running e-85 fuel by any chance? every once in a while when gas prices spike i fill up a tank of that stuff considering its 1.69/gal vs like 2.something for regular gas

when i use e85 the car gets worse gas mileage and when it idles for a while while warm the ses light comes on but like 10 secs later after you press the gas it goes back off.

just a hunch thats all.
Yeah, E85 can cause havoc on fuel systems not designed for it, like degrading seals, as well as requiring altered timing. I don't suggest running it.
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BTW does anyone know if the AC/Delco o2 sensors purchased from GM dealers are warrantied at all?
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Originally Posted by OLBlueEyesBonne
Well, ever since I put the new o2 sensor in my car back in August or September I've been getting intermittent 'Check Engine' lights.
Never would come on when I had access to a scanner, until yesterday in Grand Forks, ND. I had just pulled into the Advanced Auto parking lot when the light came on so I left the car running and had them bring out their Actron CP9140.
They pulled 3 codes:

P0131
Oxygen Sensor
Signal Is Too Low

P0171
Fuel Trim
Sensor Signal Lean

P0629
Pass Key
Frequency Invalid

The last code is understandable -the VAT'* system wires were snipped as it wouldn't allow me to start the car at the last National Bonneville Club Meet in Rockford, IL.

The others really just tick me off.
I drove home from Grand Forks (210 miles) at 75-80 mph, all highway, on a little over half tank.
The next half tank consisted of 25% in town, and the other 75% highway, and it got me a grand total of 80 miles.
In other words, in town, at low speeds the car is sucking gas up like it'* nobodies business. I did give the car about 4 full throttle runs up to 30-35 mph, but that shouldn't take up more than 1/10 of a gallon for each of those.
So what the heck is going on -the CE light comes on primarily when the car is idling when warm (190-205*). I can get the light off if I go full throttle for a mere second, restart the engine at speed, put back in gear and coast for 3-5 seconds (hitting the throttle during this time keeps the CE light on).

Anyhow, is there a warranty on these o2 sensors when bought from a GM dealer? I know Bosch and a couple other brands have 1 YR warranty'*. This AC/Delco o2 sensor has no more than 10,000 miles on it and less than 5 months.
In other words this was a spendy 02 sensor, which has been causing problems all along, starting the day I put it in the car.
I am ordering a new one this week, but before I do is there a warranty on it so I don't throw it away -$81 2-3 times a year is too much to be spending on o2 sensors for a Pontiac Bonneville if you ask me.
If the next one does the same thing I am going switch over to some other brand with a warranty.
the PO131 is setting off the PO171
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Originally Posted by jr's3800

And where the heck did you go to pay $81 for a 94-95 O2 ?
Dealer -Needed one bad because the old one was melted, and I was headed to the track the next day. Couldn't wait for one from GMPD.
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Do you have any exhaust leaks around the sensor, rear manifold, cross over pipe etc?
Feel around with gloves on, you might feel a pulsating air leak?


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