Are you selling aluminum or steel? Does the aluminum stay cold? At the moment I have a sort of "warm-air" intake and would be interested in purchasing one that stays cooler.

Nice Job on the intake! I would be interested in one as well, preferably in a blue or carbon fiber setup.

I'm in. Chrome would be nice

Count me in too, I might be interested in that cold air intake, it looks sweet!!

I would probably go with black.

i know ill be picking one up from you this summer, id like it in all black

I think I'd be in too, for all black

Count me in, all green or Gold which ever is possible
and if possible let me know how to do the exhaust and other mods thanks

Count me in for all black. Hopefully my car will be fixed and ready tomorrow and ready for your CAI whenever its done.

Good to see you are going to produce this. I want one just like yours, with the aluminum duct. I also want the heat shield in red. I think it would be easier for you to offer the package with the IAT sensor closer to the filter, since no one in their mind would want it in the stock location. I believe gpstore.com sells an IAT extension cable that plugs into the current one. What payment methods are you going to accept. I would think paypal would be easiest, but they are whores about taking some of our money.

BTW, nice tint. Hope to get mine done soon. What is that, 15%?

Lee

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By what colour we want, do you mean the little red strip on the top of that thing?
I would like either green or blue :grin:
$75 with shipping included isn't too bad.
Is that a K&N cone filter you have on it?

OOOOOh there we go, the pictures are loading for me today.
very nice...i want one...but $100 US is like $200 for me (i'm in Canada) + shipping and handling...
was that the highest price you gave me? I want one just like that one that you have...or one a little bit more inexpensive... :grin:
I like it though, i definetly want one.

I couldn't load your pictures, 99....anyway, about how much did it cost you to make that? if i want one, do i pay in CDN or US? and how?? and how do i get it on to my car?? Would a regular auto shop do it, do you think??
and how much HP would you say it adds?? You haven't had any problems with it and the computer yet??
It sounds good !! :grin:

count me in for a heatshield that matches to the top of the hood for a good seal. as well as a smooth elbow w/ connector. I already have a 3.5 opening K&N so i can use that. the location you have urs is great.
but i have a ? my cone is HUGE i think 9 inches!!!!!! will it interfere w/ the length of the elbow ???
i wont be able to buy one for another month or so keep me posted.
I just bought rims/ tint/ exhasut so im kinda tapped for a while.

thanks for DOING what u do to furher help the bonny community
btw w/ you setup and my ram air we can have a truely COLD intake

How much for one just like you have there?
I like the aluminum. I was also thinking of attaching some sort of air dam to force more air in the direction of the cone.

I might go carbon fiber heat shields also. I thought that would be a neat idea and such and its a possiblity. Good that I have feedback. I have a short video of my car when its cold so you get an idea of how loud it is, but once the car warms up, it goes quiet. Also shown is my 3" exhaust and how loud it is when the engine is cold also. I can make more video's at a moments notice.

http://www.geocities.com/krusher190/...take_short.mpg

I might make some video's to show how my suspension modifications are going as well during the summer.

Yeah, payment methods would most likely be Paypal and Money Order/Cashiers Checks. The Paypal fee is minimal. Yeah, the GPStore's IAT extension should work, i will doubt check w/ my neighbors 98 Grand Prix GT just in case. The aluminum duct one isnt going to be cheap and with a heat shield, its going to be as much as a AEM but as good.

And thanks, I will never give up my tint. Its 20% for the back windows/rear doors and 35% for the front windows. Here in Cali the lowest you can go without pissing off the cops for your front windows is 35%, if not, I would have gone 20% all around. And the cost for all the tint was $210 if you are curious. It took 6 hours because the back windows is one piece and he dissaembled the rear seat/deck so that the brake light is tinted also. Also the front triangular windows took him a while also, I think like 1.5 hrs for both. (I didn't watch, I just asked him).

Ok, so the tally of colors is red, green and blue.

Thanks for the response guys and I want other Bonneville Owners to benefit from this mod as much as I have.

No, the the intake will be made out of mild steel which will be totally powdercoated in the color of your choice (like to match with the color of your car kidna thing). The intake, filter and hopefully the silicon will match all together in your color choice. I need to know what colors you guys want so I can do the final tally, research, and give the final prices.

The red strip you are referring to is silicon which can withstand 700 degree F.

It would be impossible to make a T6061 aircraft aluminum intake for $75. Mine costed well over $150 just for the materials and I did it myself.

What I need is what color choices you guys are interested in, so far I hear green and blue.

csprague - The aluminum heats up like every other metal but even after hours under the hood, it is still cool enough that I can wrap my hand around it and not burn myself at all. I could if you want just make the aluminum part, cut it, drill the hole and all the custom stuff you want and you can put what filter you want on it.

Not sure what filter will be avaiable with this. I prefer foam over K&N because people generally tend to over oil K&N's and then your MAF screws up and it's a big mess. Mine is a Weapon R foam filter w/ a Velocity Stack (it has an opening on the top in the middle compared to a K&N which just sucks through the sides not developing speed but swirling the air instead).

I guess another idea is the have 3 systems avaiable.

1) Short ram setup but no filter so you can choose what you want or if you already have a filter.

2) Short ram setup with filter which will color coordinate with the intake and makes it easy to install.

3) Short ram with a heat shield to make it a Cold Air Intake and the heat shield will also match in color with the intake as well.


Also, another thing to address is that my Intake Air Temperature sensor was put closer to the filter by cutting the wires and resoldering it with extra wire length. I am going to check with my neighbor's Grand Prix and check if his sensor is the same (should be silly GM). If it is, then I can offer two choices more with this intake.

1) Senor location is close enough to use with the stock wire length for the Intake Temperature Sensor which makes no guarentees in making as much power as one closer to the filter.

2) Sensor location next to the filter could be done if you cut the wires (not recommended if you havent done this for a car before since you need special wires than resist the underhood temp's of a car.) But this option would result in you having to but the extension harness from the Grand Prix Store for $25 dollars so it will easily attach to the sensor location next to the filter.


What I would like to do is get a group buy going, like about 5 people to cut the costs, tell me what colors you want, and then I can figure out the final price and I can get working on copying mine with Angry Duck Racing.

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1999 Black Bonneville SE

Mods:
3" Custom Catback Exhaust
Custom 3" Intake
MAF Screen Removed
Thrasher Shift Kit (highest setting)
http://rocketcouch.clanpages.com/MyCarTempPic.jpg

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My aluminum intake costs alot, it would be like $175 w/ filter. It costs alot since it's Aircraft quality Aluminum and it took about 30 mintues to drill the hole or the sensor which shows how tuff this stuff is.

And I am not sure about the pricing, if we can get a group buy and I am working with Angry Duck Racing to see if we can buy the metal in bulk and such to cut down the cost. And the price of $75 would most likely be with shipping included.

You could add dryer ducting but if you notice, the filter is behind the headlight and it picks up lots of cool air from right there, that's why I put it as low as possible.

Let me know what colors you guys want? I would assume Red would be one? What other colors are you guys interested in having?
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1999 Black Bonneville SE

Mods:
3" Custom Catback Exhaust
Custom 3" Intake
MAF Screen Removed
Thrasher Shift Kit (highest setting)
http://rocketcouch.clanpages.com/MyCarTempPic.jpg


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That's odd, the pics load up for me, give me a email at krusher190@lycos.com and I will send you the pictures personally so you can view it on your computer. And it would be in US. And you can install it yourself, all you would have to do is
1) Take off your stock airbox and remove your Intake Air Temperature sensor out of your stock Airbox.
2) Put the Intake Air Temperature Sensor in the new filter.
3) Slip on the your new intake onto the Throttle Body of your car and tighten it down with a screwdriver and that's it. I would include instructions with the filter to make sure and so that you know how to dissesemble it if the need arises.

HP wise it has added quite a bit. I am going to go to the track by next week and see much quicker my car is compared to the stock airbox. But this intake helps alot since our engines are high RPM motors which requires alot of air to operate.

Approx price should be I think $75 for the short ram as you will see in the picture when you shoot me a email. That includes everything including color choice, I still need some feedback from people to see what colors can be offered. And for a true Cold Air Intake which would be the short ram with a heat shield would probably be $100 total since the heat shield will be powdercoated in the same color choice as your intake pipe was. Hope that answers your questions.

Just measure your Throttle Body opening size, it should be 4" if it is, you are golden.

I got some pictures for you folks out there. This is the short ram intake form. Next week I will have a heat shield on the car that is ceramic coated and should seal shut with the hood to isolate the filter from the engine compartment and make it a true CAI. Bear with me this intake has been on my car for well over 6 months and it's a little dirty. I have never had a problem with any Check Engine lights or anything.

I will track dyno test it soon so I have some numbers in the improvement in makes in our cars between the stock intake and this one.

Some other notes is that when your car turns on for the first time everyday, this intake is loud. I mean it's louder than my exhaust while the car is warming up.

In the pictures you will also see I extended my intake air temperature sensor closer to the filter so that the computer would read colder air meaning more power. Plus the aluminum never gets hot enough that you can't touch it even if I have been driving for hours on end.

Some of the specs of my intake are:

3" Mandrel bent Aircraft Aluminum
Weapon R V2 Hyper Filter w/ Velocity Stack
Red Silicon Reducer (can withstand 700 degrees F)
IAT closer to the filter

http://rocketcouch.clanpages.com/IntakePic2.jpg

http://rocketcouch.clanpages.com/IntakePic3.jpg

The final production version will most likely be steel that is powdercoated with a few color choices, like black, red, blue, green. It depends on the feedback you guys give me. The more people who are willing to buy, the cheaper it is.

Also another two options will be available most likely, either a short ram intake as you see in the pictures and the short ram with a heat shield that will also be powdercoated to match with the intake.
Other options which depending on user feedback will be to have the IAT close to the filter in which you have to extend or buy the extension from the Grand Prix Store for this sensor. Or I will have the hole clost enough to just use the stock wiring length.
This intake is the best mod I have done on my car so far and at WOT it sounds wicked. And on really cold nights you feel the power. Some other notes is that I choose 3" pipe instead of 4" is that it's slightly cheaper and also it develops velocity in the air which leads to more torque.

So please leave you feedback and let me know what you guys want. And depending on people's interest, we could set up a group buy which would make it cheaper for everyone. During the meantime and once I get some feedback, I can give prices and the official options if you are interested in an intake. If you have any further questions, email them to krusher190@lycos.com.

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1999 Black Bonneville SE

Mods:
3" Custom Catback Exhaust
Custom 3" Intake
MAF Screen Removed
Thrasher Shift Kit (highest setting)

http://rocketcouch.clanpages.com/MyCarTempPic.jpg


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count me in! i have 1 made out of pvc.. this would be a ton better. i'd want an aluminum pipe with a red heat shield, if possible... let me know if not then everything red. that is awesome. just let me know when they will be ready.

Looks great!

Do you know if it will fit Series 1 engines?

Intake
 

So when can i get my hands on one? all red.... let em know
Pritchjw@muohio.edu

Intake
 

So when can i get my hands on one? all red.... let em know
Pritchjw@muohio.edu :?:

Well summer is here
 

Summer is here and gone so you can take me off the list b/c i am at school now and it does me no good... if there ever was a list.

Jon :roll:

I know this is a contention for all parties involved (Waiting for products to happen). Often a supplier will offer a "group Purchase" and in the case of Bonneville’s the market is not there (big) so even group purchases have a hard time even reaching 25 people let alone the customary 50. Now that said I know that Angry duck is your only choice for a Good quality Bonneville air intake and actually they are doing us more of a favor considering the numbers and R&D cost. I don’t think Angry duck even required a group purchase but I have found that through experience that most Bonneville owners are not willing to spend the money required to purchase a one off product so we have to wait for Angry duck to be prepared. No matter what happens Angry duck and my company Domestic Performance are the only companies willing to put our necks out for our cars. I am not complaining but I think it important to know that the niche known as Pontiac Bonneville performance is very very small and mostly pay check to pay check poor. Believe me I know that feeling. Actually I have spent all my Car project money on R&D and creating a website. LOL my plan has been to sell products for other Vehicles as well, so I can use the profits to gain back my investment and build more options for our cars. Both angry Duck and Domestic performance can produce almost anything you could desire for your car, but the $ or market has to be there. Don’t worry if you plan to keep your car for more than another year you will see serious growth of options.

Just my take on the situation not sure exactly how Angry duck feels officially.

TY
:D

Well said and there is nothing more I need to add. If people understood how much money I have just put into the R&D for this intake project they would be more patient. But I have been working on it all summer trying to get an airbox to make a difference but currently there is really no way to make a true CAI for the car because you need to get it out of the engine compartment and that is no possible to do it safely. The only way to do a CAI is with a custom hood with scoop. I am deciding wether or not to offere the box, most likely not to since it doesn't make a difference and I am calculating the final cost and options so please be a little more patient. The Angry Duck Tofu Racing website will be up shortly and you can check there for updates.

-Hector

I'm in for one with a heat shield, and all YELLOW! and I'll wait as long as it takes!! thanks for all ur hard work and effort!

I have something of a homemade, a friend of mine calls it gheto engineered, open element filter intake. I used to have some pictures of it but don't think I do anymore. I will look around and try to find some.

It was essentialy free to make as well and sounds great. Really seems to let the car rev much easier.

I work at a shop that is right next to a huge electrical supply place so evertything i need i just picked up during a slow period at work last year.

Parts list:

1 plastic air intake tube from a 1993-1997(?) Z/28 Camaro. This is the tube that connects the air box to the throtle body. I got mine from my friends 1993 z/28 but any camaro/firebird that was bult before the LS1 was offered should work even if the car came with the V6.

1 cone style air filter for a 1995 ford explorer. Yes I know I despised having the evil ford part in my car but it was free and was made by Fram and not ford which helped me feel better. The Fram number you want is CA7774 and they are about 9 bucks at evil wallyworld.

1 tube of High Temp RTV sealent. I used the clear kind.

Serreated knife or hack saw.

Two lengths of wire one foot long that are of the same guage as the wire used for Air intake temp sensor.

Wire cutters/stripper and some way to reattach the wires. I used wirenuts since I did not have a sodder gun handy.

First step is to modify the air tube from the F-Body. There is a small tube on the side of it that is about the same size as the AIT sensor. Use your hacksaw to cut it flush to the body of the tube. Now take the AIT sensor and the wrench you used to pull it out of the air box and screw the AIT sensor into the flush hole you have created. The threads on the sensor will selftap the plastic and you can easily screw the sensor completly into the airflow for a good reading.

Just remember to do this slowly and steadily to keep from damaging the threads as they form.

Second step is to glue the filter to the air tube. Now I know you are thinking that is crazy but I have had this setup on for more then a year now and have had no problems. It is best to have the filter warm when you do this since it is very tight fit on the end of tapered end of the tube. You also might want to very slightly pull on the filter to stretch the rubber some and/or put a little lube on the tapered part of the tube. I used Amsoil's synthetic spray grease.


Slowly push the cone filter onto the tapered end of the tube untill it feels snug. Don't push too hard or too fast because you can rip the rubber part of the filter. Once it is on the tube make a note of where the filter stopped moving back onto the tube and remove the filter. Clean that part of the tube well and scuff it up with a bit of sandpaper. This will make sure the RTV sealeant seals well on the smooth plastic.

Now reinstal the filter and put a single bead of RTV sealant where the filter meets the tube. Wait a few minutes till the bead is tacky to the touch then run a second beat right next to it. Hold the filter steady till the sealant has tried enough to keep it from moving then place the assembly so it can cure for 24 hours without being knocked around. Make sure no weight is put on the filter itself to keep from moving around.

Now we are at the next to last step. The wires for the IAT sensor must be extended. Just cut the wires, make sure you don't get to two different ones mixed up, and splice in the extensions however you choose. I have been meaning to get some of the heat crimping things to replace the wirenuts on mine but just have not bothered yet. The wirenuts seem to do fine and are holding up well in the heat.

Once the sealant has cured after about 24 hours, overnight should do, just install the completed tube onto the throtlebody. The fit will be a little tight even with the hoseclamp loosend completly but slow steady pressure will get the tube on without hurting anything.

Once the tube is on you need to clearence it so nothing will hit the hood. On my car i can fit my pinky between the lowest point of the airfilter and the metal floor of the car. Other cars will probably be a little different depending on various things. The way I did it was to take a tiny bit of yellow paint and put it on the top of the AIT sensor plug. This is the highest point of the entire assembly. I took a guess on about what clearance i had on the hood and then slowly closed it completly. I opened the hood and looked to see if I had left any paint on the insulation above the filter. I just repeated this until I had the whole assembly rotated for maximum clearance between the floor of the engine bay and the hood.

Wow that was long.

I will try to get pictures of this sometime soon. I am also working on a true cold air kit using a coated metal heat shield, the air box that matches the explorer spec filter and a lenghth of hose that matches the diameter of the other inlet end of the explorer air box.