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Old 02-20-2004, 07:59 AM   #11
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If you are really worried about sun damage, garage the car when its not in use, and park underneath trees (just watch out for birds).
Also watch out for sap & bugs and stuff if/when you park under trees.
I like to have my cars in the shade (black cars look better in the shade ) but I try never to park them under trees. Too much crap gets on them there.
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Get a cover. When I get a new car (or repait my lesabre) I'm getting it a cover. (case we have a 3 car garage but the only spot with a big enough opening is the middle door, which now houses my moms 95 unmarked bonnie... serioulsy Its like debaded or somthing.. bo frills and bells, just plain cloth seats, am.fm cassette, the basics..)
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Martin Senour paints which are avaible at NAPA came to college and did certification testing (which I passed!!). We asked on how long to wait after painting a carfor wax. They responded to never wax your car. wax makes water bead up and the beads act like a magnifing glass which will bake the hell out of your paint eventually causing fading. also it can dirt and other crap in your paint. I know what you are thinking wax has been around for ever and so has automotive paint. BUT paints have changed due to the government and tree huggers and the enviroment so paint isnt as tough as it used to be due to regulations on high solids and solevents.
They said the effect you want is like jet dry for the dishes which has sheeting action and falls off of the car.
Take this how you want, just relaying what i was told by a major automotive paint corp


Okay first off, on the GM paints, GM made a mistake by overbaking the primer, which in turns causes the paint to peel, All bonne owners will know. Waxing your car with good wax will help keep your cars paint in tack but wont help it from the mistake GM made causing it to peel. If you leave the wax on and let it bake on your finish, then wax is not a good thing LMAO. If you wax your car right and not wax it under sunlight then your doing something right. I use NuFinish, which is ranked #1 in the consumers buyers guide and Mequires show car glaze #7. Waxing your car will benefit it you as long as you do it right and for fading, the best way to check it for fading is if you apply the wax and your wax pad has your color paint on it, then the wax is fading your car. Thats why I use Nufinish. Try it for yourself and if the color of your car is on the wax pad from the the car wax you use, then dont use it!
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Our cars have a factory clear coat, so it would have to be in pretty crappy condition to transfer color to your waxing pad.

What'* this peeling problem you're talking about? We've got 2000 members or more, and I don't think I've seen a case of this.
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Our cars have a factory clear coat, so it would have to be in pretty crappy condition to transfer color to your waxing pad.

What'* this peeling problem you're talking about? We've got 2000 members or more, and I don't think I've seen a case of this.
ASK your GM dealership body shop they will tell you!

I know from experience of having my bonne side swiped from a parking lot and that someone ran off leaving my driverside body panels ruined from a hit and run.

Thank You Oldest to Newest body shop for all the tips you gave me!
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Yes, when somone hits your car, the paint usually gets messed up...
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No one here has had a peeling problem with their paint, unless it was repainted. I know someone had some paint peeling from their wheel well area before, but it was repainted. It wasn't the original paint. My 10 year old paint has no peeling. Maybe some body shops out there make some mistakes, but GM original paint jobs are just fine.

However, Dodge Neons, a few Ford vehicles, Chevy Corsicas, among others, are a couple cars that have major peeling problems. GM'* paint used to be bad but it'* been much better since the very late 80'*, maybe 1991 or 92+.
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No one here has had a peeling problem with their paint, unless it was repainted. I know someone had some paint peeling from their wheel well area before, but it was repainted. It wasn't the original paint. My 10 year old paint has no peeling. Maybe some body shops out there make some mistakes, but GM original paint jobs are just fine.

However, Dodge Neons, a few Ford vehicles, Chevy Corsicas, among others, are a couple cars that have major peeling problems. GM'* paint used to be bad but it'* ben much better since the very late 80'*, maybe 1990+.
True. Thank God I still have the original Bright white paint job from GM, although I did see one in my neighborhood with the same car as mine with paint peeling off his car. I was concerned and when I did have my car side swiped, thats when I asked the GM bodyshop about the procedures GM made on painting cars.

The GM body shop technician told me that they run off an assembly line, that shoots electromagnetic paint procedures that paints the primer very quickly and then processed to be baked. Once baked it is it baked at a very high temperature and then painted without roughing the primer and thats why some cars have problems with their paint. Knock on wood I dont have that problem. But the GM body shop tech noted to me that if you dont rough up the primer it wont stick as easily as if it was roughed up to be painted after the baking process. So thats why some car have problems and also maybe due to the fact that some owners neglect to wash or keep up their cars finishes.
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I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt you'll ever see this on a Bonneville, simply because we have a good sample size here, and none that we're aware of ever peeled.

No worries, bud.
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Ya, I wouldn't worry about it. If you get rust, then your paint will peel, but that'* about it.
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