Don't tell me I'm the only one here that'* run an 850? Honestly, I've not run side by side with Robert'* car (the guy at work) but ran another identical car about a year ago. When I discussed it with him, he wasn't surprised. Robert used to be a 'behind the scenes' lurker here. There are times he really HATES his Volvo. If it hadn't cost him so much, and he didn't have so many miles on it (40 mile commute each way to work), he'd have dumped it already.