Woot! FE2 here i come
02-11-2007, 12:59 PM
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Don.
i just sent this to wren
This came from someone Boosty told me to goto for the info. this is the PM i got.
i forget hsi screen name thoguh
i just sent this to wren
This came from someone Boosty told me to goto for the info. this is the PM i got.
i forget hsi screen name thoguh
Alrighty...these are part numbers for Advance Auto but any store should be able to cross reference them. Plan on $70-80 per strut and ~$70 per pair of springs.
for the front struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71822
KYB-236007(they can special order these)
for the rear struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71798
front springs:
TRW-cc658
rear springs:
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
You may also want to replace the strut mounts while you're down there, and check the spring isolators to see if they need to be replaced as well. Also, partsamerica.com has pretty much everything that Advance can get for you so you can figure out what you want. Hope this helps.
Aaron
for the front struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71822
KYB-236007(they can special order these)
for the rear struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71798
front springs:
TRW-cc658
rear springs:
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
You may also want to replace the strut mounts while you're down there, and check the spring isolators to see if they need to be replaced as well. Also, partsamerica.com has pretty much everything that Advance can get for you so you can figure out what you want. Hope this helps.
Aaron
02-11-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bandit
Originally Posted by willwren
Bandit, Just cuz you've seen it doesn't mean it'* right. You CANNOT unload a spring like that and not have problems long-term. Trust me. I've taken FE2 to unheard of levels of performance (and you'll experience what everyone else out west has already when you get here). Don and I have spent hours and years discussing this since the first time it was proposed.
I'm still on the phone with Don, and both of us are a little pissed that Pat is pushing this. How the do you expect your car to handle better with old tired front FE1 springs, and new FE2 on the rear?
Don is also researching your TRW rear. You may have the FE1 spring there. He'* looking it up now.
and like i said, im not unloading then if im not jacking the back end up.
Also like i said in my post i dont know if you saw.
I do not want my car to push like the Stock SSEi'* do.
If you and don can tell me how to setup my car so it does Not push then i will do it.
Alrighty...these are part numbers for Advance Auto but any store should be able to cross reference them. Plan on $70-80 per strut and ~$70 per pair of springs.
for the front struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71822
KYB-236007(they can special order these)
for the rear struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71798
front springs:
TRW-cc658
rear springs:
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
You may also want to replace the strut mounts while you're down there, and check the spring isolators to see if they need to be replaced as well. Also, partsamerica.com has pretty much everything that Advance can get for you so you can figure out what you want. Hope this helps.
Aaron
for the front struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71822
KYB-236007(they can special order these)
for the rear struts:
Monroe Sensatrac-71798
front springs:
TRW-cc658
rear springs:
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
You may also want to replace the strut mounts while you're down there, and check the spring isolators to see if they need to be replaced as well. Also, partsamerica.com has pretty much everything that Advance can get for you so you can figure out what you want. Hope this helps.
Aaron
If you don't level the car with ELC, the back end of your car will sit 1/2" LOW. You HAVE to level it. Center of gravity in height from front to rear will cause a worse handling imbalance especially with weak FE1 springs on the front. You're not understanding what the spring actually does in ride/install height and rate, and what it'* actually holding up, and what forces it'* resisting.
Do the full FE2 swap and get the 653 springs which ARE the TRW FE2 replacment instead of the incorrect 661'*.
THEN I'll tell you how to fix the push. It'll take 50 bucks and 20 minutes.
02-11-2007, 01:13 PM
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rear springs:
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
TRW-cc661(FE2)
TRW-cc653(we came to the conclusion at SEBF that these are F41 springs...but they work)
so WTF!!!!
i Give up.
Someone that knows what there talking about post th RIGHT Part Numbers for the Front/rear STRUTS and SPRING
02-11-2007, 01:16 PM
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FE2 and F41 TRW springs are the same for the rear. They are the same spring. You got FE1 springs. It has been crosschecked and verified on Federal/Mogul/Moog/TRW'* site.
02-11-2007, 01:17 PM
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Do I sense some frustration here 
Come on you guys that know all about these early year models give Bandit some consistent help.
Come on you guys that know all about these early year models give Bandit some consistent help.
Someone that knows what there talking about post th RIGHT Part Numbers for the Front/rear STRUTS and SPRING
02-11-2007, 01:20 PM
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The part numbers he was given were wrong from the source. NEBF and Boosty are not to blame. The person that told THEM the 661 part number was wrong.
jr's3800 has all the master OEM and aftermarket resources in his library. This isn't the first time bad numbers have been given by parts sources and vendors. It'* unfortunate, but a good thing we caught it before the install.
Paul, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind or Don'*. Just because someone else did it the way it was described here doesn't make it right.
jr's3800 has all the master OEM and aftermarket resources in his library. This isn't the first time bad numbers have been given by parts sources and vendors. It'* unfortunate, but a good thing we caught it before the install.
Paul, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind or Don'*. Just because someone else did it the way it was described here doesn't make it right.
02-11-2007, 02:01 PM
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As someone who'* had their suspension apart, I gotta agree with them do the entire setup strut/sprint wise.
If you want your car to turn easier (not push) then leave the FE1 front sway bar in. Putting in the better rear sway, but leaving your OE front one in will make it turn sharply compared to stock. This is the correct way to adjust your corner feel, as opposed to springs and dampers.
If you want your car to turn easier (not push) then leave the FE1 front sway bar in. Putting in the better rear sway, but leaving your OE front one in will make it turn sharply compared to stock. This is the correct way to adjust your corner feel, as opposed to springs and dampers.
02-11-2007, 02:12 PM
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Don't leave the front FE1 bar in. You can use NASCAR style coil spacers (full round, not the wedges) in the rears and balance the handling perfectly. I did it. Works great.
BTW, on the spring part numbers:
REAR
Lookup by: Vehicle Part Number Change: Product Category Vehicle
Lookup Results
Listed below are the results of your lookup. Notice any special information related to the part.
View: Federal-Mogul Full
Vehicle: 1994 PONTIAC MIDSIZE BONNEVILLE V6-3800 3.8L
Lookup Type: Group - Rear Springs
Select Part Description Part Number Years Qty Per Buyer'* Guide
MOOG
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SSEI SUPERCHARGED CC653 92-99 1
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SE & *
SE CC661 92-99 1
TRW
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SE,SSE CC661 92-97 1
On the phone with Aaron, and showing him this. He does have the wrong rear springs.
BTW, on the spring part numbers:
REAR
Lookup by: Vehicle Part Number Change: Product Category Vehicle
Lookup Results
Listed below are the results of your lookup. Notice any special information related to the part.
View: Federal-Mogul Full
Vehicle: 1994 PONTIAC MIDSIZE BONNEVILLE V6-3800 3.8L
Lookup Type: Group - Rear Springs
Select Part Description Part Number Years Qty Per Buyer'* Guide
MOOG
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SSEI SUPERCHARGED CC653 92-99 1
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SE & *
SE CC661 92-99 1
TRW
Rear Variable Rate Springs
SE,SSE CC661 92-97 1
02-11-2007, 02:18 PM
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you mean Ryan 
But yeah, now i under stand everything. Everything makes sense now
I want to put out a BIG THANKS to Willwren and Jr.3800 for helping me with this.
Now that i have the part #'* and all the knowledge and info from them i can get my car setup the way i want t now. witch it to have it = with NO Push
Now off to Advance auto to return he springs
But yeah, now i under stand everything. Everything makes sense now
I want to put out a BIG THANKS to Willwren and Jr.3800 for helping me with this.
Now that i have the part #'* and all the knowledge and info from them i can get my car setup the way i want t now. witch it to have it = with NO Push
Now off to Advance auto to return he springs