Transmission question
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Well, I've only heard of ONE 65 diff in a 60 as well. But I've heard of several HD diffs being put into 60'*.
So I suppose we're at an impasse here? We can go at this all day long, but I personally see no benefit to a major conversion when a HD unit can be built for less $ off the shelf.
There are 6 ways to skin a cat.
So I suppose we're at an impasse here? We can go at this all day long, but I personally see no benefit to a major conversion when a HD unit can be built for less $ off the shelf.
There are 6 ways to skin a cat.
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Originally Posted by willwren
Well, I've only heard of ONE 65 diff in a 60 as well. But I've heard of several HD diffs being put into 60'*.
So I suppose we're at an impasse here? We can go at this all day long, but I personally see no benefit to a major conversion when a HD unit can be built for less $ off the shelf.
There are 6 ways to skin a cat.
So I suppose we're at an impasse here? We can go at this all day long, but I personally see no benefit to a major conversion when a HD unit can be built for less $ off the shelf.
There are 6 ways to skin a cat.
I personally so no reason to take a risk on a 4t60-hd diff.
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I personally don't see any risk in USING an HD built diff in a 4T60. The guy that built my trans is a legend in the mid-valley here. Has been forever. Got a street rod that needs a good trans? You go where I went.
I don't see any reason or advantage to convert to a 4T65 diff whatsoever, considering the extra cost involved. I got a custom HD diff built for little more than a replacement OEM diff. I doubt seriously that I'll have problems with it since they are so confident in the build they've warranteed it for unlimited 2-wheel burnouts and speeds up to 135mph for tuning in preparation for the Salt Flats.
Mine sounds a little more 'safe' than a hybrid transplant.
I don't see any reason or advantage to convert to a 4T65 diff whatsoever, considering the extra cost involved. I got a custom HD diff built for little more than a replacement OEM diff. I doubt seriously that I'll have problems with it since they are so confident in the build they've warranteed it for unlimited 2-wheel burnouts and speeds up to 135mph for tuning in preparation for the Salt Flats.
Mine sounds a little more 'safe' than a hybrid transplant.
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Originally Posted by willwren
Mine sounds a little more 'safe' than a hybrid transplant.
I'm not going to go that route since it dosent sound safer to me.
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Originally Posted by 95naSTA
How many 4t65-HD diffs have been proven in the 4t60? Why would it matter if it'* in the 4t65 or 4t60? I know 1 65 in the 60 has been put in the 12'*. And the 4t65-HD diff have been put into the 9'*,10'*,11'*,12'*,13'* etc.
And the price of converson all depends on how handy you are. From a u-pull-it it could be very cheap. Of course the diff should be dissassembled to check for scoring etc.
And the price of converson all depends on how handy you are. From a u-pull-it it could be very cheap. Of course the diff should be dissassembled to check for scoring etc.
Even if you manage to get 2 black lines on a street burnout with a stock dif, the rate at which the tires are spinning is usually not the same. If anyone has ever gotten hard on a GTP or SSEi with power you probably notice the car shift left then right. This is torque steer because power is being applied unevenly (more power to one side, then the other). An LSD virtually eliminates torque steer as well as makes sure during a burnout that both tires are not only spinning, but at the same rate.
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Right now there is no perfect solution for the differential problem.
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Originally Posted by 95naSTA
Originally Posted by willwren
Mine sounds a little more 'safe' than a hybrid transplant.
I'm not going to go that route since it dosent sound safer to me.
How the HELL can a hybrid transplant part be better than something you don't know anything about? If you think I'm bs'ing you about the builder on my trans, that'* your problem. I think most of the people here will see the logic in a HD built 4T60E diff in a 4T60. The OEM diff has one problem. Broken pins. If it'* beefed up to prevent that, why the hell would you want to do a transplant of a part not designed for the trans?
You go with the 65 diff, and we'll compare notes once you get your car running right and get some miles on it. That gives you the advantage considering the torque difference.
In the meantime, I'd suggest the BEST route for a 4T60 rebuild is a part designed and built for it.
Unless of course you're trying to run 9'*, but somehow I don't think you and I fit in that category.
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Bill, I don't think you are bsing me about your builder. But I don't know him nor have I heard anything bout him from anyone else with a 4t60. So knowing only 1 person that has a 'custom diff' from this guy with low miles dosen't make it the best option IMO.
As for having "no call saying it'* any worse than the 65 diff in my trans", agian all I'm trying to say is your 1 person with this 'custom' 4t60 diff. And as for having NFC... Okay...Sure.
The point I'm trying to make is the 4T65-HD diff has been put into the 12'* n/a in a 4t60. The 4t65-HD diff has also launched cars much faster than that. Your diff is built by a local legend that I've never heard about. That is a risk to me. Maybe not to you since your familiar with the shop etc. but I'm not.
Have your opinion, I don't care. I'm not trying to change it.
In your opinion your 4t60 diff is better. Great! It works out too since you have one.
IMO I don't sooo I'm not going to get one. I'm going to get a 4t65-HD diff.
As for having "no call saying it'* any worse than the 65 diff in my trans", agian all I'm trying to say is your 1 person with this 'custom' 4t60 diff. And as for having NFC... Okay...Sure.
The point I'm trying to make is the 4T65-HD diff has been put into the 12'* n/a in a 4t60. The 4t65-HD diff has also launched cars much faster than that. Your diff is built by a local legend that I've never heard about. That is a risk to me. Maybe not to you since your familiar with the shop etc. but I'm not.
Have your opinion, I don't care. I'm not trying to change it.
In your opinion your 4t60 diff is better. Great! It works out too since you have one.
IMO I don't sooo I'm not going to get one. I'm going to get a 4t65-HD diff.
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My point is the HD parts in my diff are OFF THE SHELF for the 4T60. There'* nothing new or magical here. Why go to the expense of a conversion to a 65hd Diff when there'* stuff available already?
The only reason the 65HD diffs don't have the durability issues the 60'* have is because they don't deliver their power down low like the Series 1 does. Not because it'* a stronger or better diff.
Is it stronger than the 65 non-HD diff? Almost certainly. Is it an advantage to you?
Hell no. If I can't break my diff, you can't break my diff built with off-the shelf parts either. This stuff has been around since the 4T60 was invented.
My biggest pet peeve here is that people spend unnecessary money for stuff they don't need. Your L36 isn't going to break a 4T60HD diff. It'* just not going to happen, even if you Turbo that car. It doesn't deliver the low-down torque the S1 L67 is famous for. That 4T65E diff is ridiculous money spent for your car.
I understand you're fascinated with it, but it'* much like the Walbro fuel pump in my car. It sounds cool, but the bottom line is that it was cheaper than OEM. In your case, it sounds cool, but I really don't think you need the trouble or expense. If you want to, that'* great, but it shouldn't be bragged as the way to go, because very few cars out there would benefit from the conversion you're talking about.
I don't like seeing people dump money into a pit.
The only reason the 65HD diffs don't have the durability issues the 60'* have is because they don't deliver their power down low like the Series 1 does. Not because it'* a stronger or better diff.
Is it stronger than the 65 non-HD diff? Almost certainly. Is it an advantage to you?
Hell no. If I can't break my diff, you can't break my diff built with off-the shelf parts either. This stuff has been around since the 4T60 was invented.
My biggest pet peeve here is that people spend unnecessary money for stuff they don't need. Your L36 isn't going to break a 4T60HD diff. It'* just not going to happen, even if you Turbo that car. It doesn't deliver the low-down torque the S1 L67 is famous for. That 4T65E diff is ridiculous money spent for your car.
I understand you're fascinated with it, but it'* much like the Walbro fuel pump in my car. It sounds cool, but the bottom line is that it was cheaper than OEM. In your case, it sounds cool, but I really don't think you need the trouble or expense. If you want to, that'* great, but it shouldn't be bragged as the way to go, because very few cars out there would benefit from the conversion you're talking about.
I don't like seeing people dump money into a pit.
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Gents, the one thing I've taken out of your spirited debate is this:
If I can get a heavy duty differential machined specifically for the 60, that is probably the best route. However, in the situation that isn't possible, hybriding the 65 differential is a viable solution.
Both of you are making valid points for the reasoning behind your opinions, but I think the point'* been made. Thank you, both of you for all of your input.
If I can get a heavy duty differential machined specifically for the 60, that is probably the best route. However, in the situation that isn't possible, hybriding the 65 differential is a viable solution.
Both of you are making valid points for the reasoning behind your opinions, but I think the point'* been made. Thank you, both of you for all of your input.