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12-21-2006, 05:35 PM
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Cam Talk and Advice
I'm planning on modding the car. I simply love this car and I want to invest more money in it.
I was looking into cams since they gain more power than rockers. But I'm conflicted by two competitors, ZZP and INTENSE. Of course I prefer INTENSE but while reading their website
That'* an additional 500 dollars right there plus more for installation
But
On ZZP'* website:
I'm more tempted by ZZP since they list the avg hp gain and say that you do not need a TC.
But I want to run a INTENSE PCM. Please advise on which cam to use and which one is the best and I plan on having INTENSE install it.
Before any of you guys get ready to post and say "Use the Search" I've already did that and did not find anything that helped me.
I was looking into cams since they gain more power than rockers. But I'm conflicted by two competitors, ZZP and INTENSE. Of course I prefer INTENSE but while reading their website
Originally Posted by INTENSE Racing
The new Stage 1X Cam is the IDEAL aftermarket cam for use with stock heads, lifters, rocker arms, retainers, and pushrods. The powerband is strong from 3,300 to 6,600 RPM, so you will want to use a higher stall torque converter, such as our INTENSE™ 245 mm. Extreme Duty Torque Converters.
But
On ZZP'* website:
Originally Posted by ZZPerformance
The Competition cams GT cams are designed for use in naturally aspirated applications. ZZP'* GT camshafts currently hold all the horsepower and ET records for naturally aspirated L36s.
The GT1 cam was designed for naturally aspirated applications where emissions and street-ability are important. It will not set SES lights. The GT cam uses steep ramp rates and tight base lobes to keep the computer and the sniffer happy while still providing great performance. This cam does not set the P0300 code and can be installed on a stock 3800 all the way to radical. It was designed for the NA L36 but will also work well with nitrous or intercooled boost. It is the only major L36 grind on the market that does not need a converter or gear changes to see gains
Look for gains of 20-30 HP depending on your car'* current configuration with a drop of 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile.
The GT1 cam was designed for naturally aspirated applications where emissions and street-ability are important. It will not set SES lights. The GT cam uses steep ramp rates and tight base lobes to keep the computer and the sniffer happy while still providing great performance. This cam does not set the P0300 code and can be installed on a stock 3800 all the way to radical. It was designed for the NA L36 but will also work well with nitrous or intercooled boost. It is the only major L36 grind on the market that does not need a converter or gear changes to see gains
Look for gains of 20-30 HP depending on your car'* current configuration with a drop of 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile.
But I want to run a INTENSE PCM. Please advise on which cam to use and which one is the best and I plan on having INTENSE install it.
Before any of you guys get ready to post and say "Use the Search" I've already did that and did not find anything that helped me.
12-21-2006, 06:35 PM
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There have been plenty who have used Intense cams other than Wes and were not able to get good results.
Thier cams create too peaky of a power curve.
One guy actually swapped a S1 Intense cam for a GT1 and gained 4 tenths.
On the other hand there are plenty of people who ran GT1 cams in their GPGTs who were mid to low 14s and dynoed much broader higer powerbands than even Wes S2 setup.
I have been hawking the n/a L36 forums since the beginning of 03. I've seen PLENTY of n/a setups. I saw what works and what dosen't over and over.
IMO The GTcams are the only way to go n/a.
More reasons:
Intense cams are peaky top end cams that require a torque converter and at least a 3.29 FDR. A peaky hp curve in a 3.0x heavier bonneville isn't going to like that.
The GT1 can make over 230 whp with a broad powerband. So if you decide to go nuts you can keep that cam, make big power, and have a nice powerband.
GT1 has taken a full weight GPGT to 14.2 with stock TC and their stock 3.29 FDR.
And as for my personal experience, I have beat stock GTPs with stock exhaust manis and heads with the GT1. And hung at the back bumper of a Regal GS that was running low 14s at the time when I had headers and heads too.
Now the Disclaimer: I could care less what vender you go with if your boosted. But when it comes to the n/a L36 the results from ZZPand Intense are night and day. I REALLY hate the way Zoomer acts and does business but I hate seeing people throw thier monay away more. The GT cams work and it'* been proven over and over.
Thier cams create too peaky of a power curve.
One guy actually swapped a S1 Intense cam for a GT1 and gained 4 tenths.
On the other hand there are plenty of people who ran GT1 cams in their GPGTs who were mid to low 14s and dynoed much broader higer powerbands than even Wes S2 setup.
I have been hawking the n/a L36 forums since the beginning of 03. I've seen PLENTY of n/a setups. I saw what works and what dosen't over and over.
IMO The GTcams are the only way to go n/a.
More reasons:
Intense cams are peaky top end cams that require a torque converter and at least a 3.29 FDR. A peaky hp curve in a 3.0x heavier bonneville isn't going to like that.
The GT1 can make over 230 whp with a broad powerband. So if you decide to go nuts you can keep that cam, make big power, and have a nice powerband.
GT1 has taken a full weight GPGT to 14.2 with stock TC and their stock 3.29 FDR.
And as for my personal experience, I have beat stock GTPs with stock exhaust manis and heads with the GT1. And hung at the back bumper of a Regal GS that was running low 14s at the time when I had headers and heads too.
Now the Disclaimer: I could care less what vender you go with if your boosted. But when it comes to the n/a L36 the results from ZZPand Intense are night and day. I REALLY hate the way Zoomer acts and does business but I hate seeing people throw thier monay away more. The GT cams work and it'* been proven over and over.
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Originally Posted by 95naSTA
Now the Disclaimer: I could care less what vender you go with if your boosted. But when it comes to the n/a L36 the results from ZZPand Intense are night and day. I REALLY hate the way Zoomer acts and does business but I hate seeing people throw thier monay away more. The GT cams work and it'* been proven over and over.
12-21-2006, 10:07 PM
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These guys are steering you straight, Cody. Listen to Mike'* advice.
Something Doug keeps pounding into my head is that he likes intake and exhaust lobe duration to be equal in an L36 setup. We are making pretty good power with my regrind, and its intake/exhaust durations are equal. The ZZP GT cams are "squared up" on the intake and exhaust sides, and it has been proven to make more useable power in an NA. The Intense cams have more intake duration, and it makes for a power band that is much less driveable than the ZZP cams. Go for the ZZP, or get a custom grind from Comp or Crane.
Or you can do a regrind like I did
. I've got some good ideas you can try, and the regrind only costs 1/3 the amount of a new cam.
Something Doug keeps pounding into my head is that he likes intake and exhaust lobe duration to be equal in an L36 setup. We are making pretty good power with my regrind, and its intake/exhaust durations are equal. The ZZP GT cams are "squared up" on the intake and exhaust sides, and it has been proven to make more useable power in an NA. The Intense cams have more intake duration, and it makes for a power band that is much less driveable than the ZZP cams. Go for the ZZP, or get a custom grind from Comp or Crane.
Or you can do a regrind like I did
. I've got some good ideas you can try, and the regrind only costs 1/3 the amount of a new cam.
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